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Date:      Fri, 10 Aug 2001 00:53:13 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Joe Clarke <marcus@marcuscom.com>
To:        Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm@toybox.placo.com>
Cc:        FreeBSD User Questions List <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   RE: BSD license question
Message-ID:  <20010810005102.K32966-100000@shumai.marcuscom.com>
In-Reply-To: <002001c12157$4ea397e0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>

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Thanks, Ted.  This is what I thought, and what I understand.  However, due
to the incompatability (i.e. embrace and extend), the project will
probably be relicensed entirely.  It's a shame really, but the dev team
thinks that once things go GPL, there will be a rush of developer effort
put forth that will give the project new life.  I guess we'll see.

Thanks to all that responded.

Joe Clarke

On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

> You really should read the BSD license - it is very simple and easy
> to understand.  Much more so than GPL if I say so myself.
>
> The BSD License does allow you to take source and binary and relicense
> it under whatever more restrictive license you wish.  Of course, the
> original code still remains out there under the BSD license - just because
> a later variant is under GPL does not invalidate the original BSD
> distribution.
>
> The $64 catch, though, is that you CANNOT delete the original BSD
> license from the GPL-licensed result.
>
> So the end result is that the GPL program will be under GPL but it
> will still contain a copy of the BSD license.  So, anyone reading it
> that has a little better than oatmeal for brains will see that in there
> and realize that the code originated from a BSD distribution.  If that
> person has something against the GPL they will no doubt go back to
> the original BSD distribution and work on that, instead of the
> "contaminated" GPLized distribution.  In fact they might just take the
> original BSD distribution and diff it against the GPL distribution, and
> prepare a set of patches that are "contaminated" GPL code, which can
> then be applied to the BSD distribution to create the GPL result.
>
> Ultimately, putting it under GPL will NOT in this case accomplish the goal of
> the GPL - which is to prevent corporations and
> others from making proprietary modifications.  Those entities will still be
> able to make modifications to the BSD distribution.  The end result is
> you have simply split the distribution into 2 separate distributions - one
> GPL and one BSD - and these can further and further diverge from each other.
>
> However, it would seem to me that the _polite_ thing to do would be for
> the developers of netatalk who have a bug up their butt about GPL could
> simply write their stuff as a source file that's under GPL, and leave
> the licensing of the rest of the source files alone.  I understand of course
> that due to the Embrace and Extend nature of GPL that the entire finished
> product would fall under GPL - but at any time in the future it would make it
> easy for a BSD person to rewrite the GPLized modules and put them into the
> ORIGINAL BSD distribution of netatalk, if they felt the need to have a
> BSD-licensed version of netatalk.  Of course, politeness rarely occurs to
> zealots.
>
>
> Ted Mittelstaedt                                       tedm@toybox.placo.com
> Author of:                           The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide
> Book website:                          http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Joe Clarke
> >Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:47 AM
> >To: FreeBSD User Questions List
> >Subject: OT: BSD license question
> >
> >
> >I realize this is off-topic, but please help me out here.  I'm a netatalk
> >developer.  Netatalk is currently BSD-licensed code.  There is a thread
> >on the developers list to change netatalk from BSD to GPL.  Is this legal?
> >Can someone arbitrarily change the license of a project if they're not the
> >author?  I don't think so.  Seems to me Microsoft would have taken Linux,
> >said it's now BSD licensed, and used it in Windows XP ( ;-) ).  Thanks for
> >some clarification.
> >
> >Joe Clarke
> >
> >
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