Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 09:51:28 +0100 From: krad <kraduk@gmail.com> To: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> Cc: User Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? Message-ID: <CALfReyc1TbFZo3O2e91nG_5kg77hgXV2%2BMSKiug=Vqm4MCDpcg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAAdA2WPdEmcQ-0m14-r0hMUXuYu3joTA6TeAGwtdXhSL%2BRknwg@mail.gmail.com> References: <53C706C9.6090506@com.jkkn.dk> <20140718110645.GN87212@FreeBSD.org> <20140718151255.b3e677d9.gerrit.kuehn@aei.mpg.de> <CALfReycHtSi5GXgFZihrTsgDG6wc-ZfkYmQu7AjQmOKdeXntrA@mail.gmail.com> <CAEeRwNV3bJrM5KrGObZtNvSY1mVMW9jz2M4t2m2SSq_vvWmZ5w@mail.gmail.com> <CALfReyfWJd7YOi_Y8Mq=Q-xndLueF7vU5xwc1w_YGyM1a9DQZA@mail.gmail.com> <53CA2D39.6000204@sasktel.net> <CALfReyfkZY1ZDNohP6npRVQfjBK2M6j59R8idUGazr1yJDX3Jg@mail.gmail.com> <20140720123916.GV96250@e-new.0x20.net> <CAJcQMWe9=3PvOhfT8N-78N04A0u3OvkjOd-HPCiBUcJFZZb0-g@mail.gmail.com> <20140720134133.1d30f725@kan> <20140720201251.3bdd2226.freebsd@edvax.de> <CAAdA2WPdEmcQ-0m14-r0hMUXuYu3joTA6TeAGwtdXhSL%2BRknwg@mail.gmail.com>
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Thats a terrible argument. What you are suggesting is there should never be
any kind of open discussion of ideas which is fundamental to opensource
software
On 20 July 2014 19:35, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 20 July 2014 21:12, Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 13:41:33 -0400, Alexander Kabaev wrote:
> > > It was stated repeatedly by multiple people that FreeBSD's network
> > > stack is way too different from OpenBSD, we support features
> > > OpenBSD doesn't and vice versa, vimage is a good example, which throws
> a
> > > giant wrench into the plan of following OpenBSD 'as closely as
> > > possible', even as the expense of throwing away all of the SMP work
> > > done in pf to date.
> >
> > The difference between FreeBSD's and OpenBSD's network stack
> > is also a problem that you can hardly compensate by maintaining
> > two versions of pf, one provided with the system, one available
> > via ports (as FreeBSD 10 did with unbound / bind), and you also
> > would have to decide which version ("old" or "new") goes with
> > the OS and which comes from ports. Of course following a "moving
> > target" is much easier to do with ports (higher frequency of
> > changes is possible) than with an OS component, and I should
> > emphasize OS _core_ component, as pf is _very_ tightly integrated
> > with kernel and OS mechanisms.
> >
> > Learning a new syntax is the smallest problem here, and BSD folks
> > (as UNIX people in general) have a great reputation of being able
> > to learn new things, evaluate them, and use them as needed, in
> > comparison to those poor guys over in MICROS~1 land... ;-)
> >
> >
> So to summarize (probably):
>
> Someone needs to decide whether or not they want FreeBSD or OpenBSD when it
> comes to PF.
> It's a simple decision to make:)
> You draw a two-column table with FreeBSD and OpenBSD on each one, do your
> analysis and decide where to pledge your allegiance.
>
> Debate CLOSED!
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
> Nairobi,KE
> +254733744121/+254722743223
> "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler."
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