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Date:      Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:15:05 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Robert Watson <robert@cyrus.watson.org>
To:        Irving Popovetsky <irvingp@puck.nether.net>
Cc:        freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Screen Shot
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.96.980418170602.15725P-100000@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980418162626.5116C-100000@puck.nether.net>

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I certainly don't debate the technical impressiveness of what has been
achieved with the window-managers.  I was particularly impressed by the
cleanness of the KDE interface (although I'd swear I'd seen some of the
layout somewhere before :).  Did KDE ever figure out the licensing thing
with QT?  I saw a post somewhere recently where they indicated they were
working on an arrangement to fix the problem, but I don't know what came
of that.  A lot of people have problems with the license, last I heard,
due to its anti-commercial nature -- something that FreeBSD has rigorously
advoided.

I personally run olvwm -- I like the simplicity of the interface, as well
as the consistency of the virtual window managing.  It also runs nicely on
low-scale workstations.

A nice screenshot of FreeBSD might be one that demonstrated its
capabilities as an easy-to-manage web server (since that's real popular
just now).  If we had emulation of more recent BSD/OS code, we could
demonstrate the Netscape navigator with the Fasttrack web configuration
interface in one portion of the screen, etc.  Unfortunately, what looks
nice in a screen-shot is a nice gui admin interface -- which takes us back
to the other conversation of choice. :)  I picture of ftp.cdrom.com would
be a nice seller, however.  Perhaps with a slogan like, "This machine
ships out more files than 26 Windows NT ftp servers at Microsoft", where
26 is the appropriate number.

On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Irving Popovetsky wrote:

> Well, okay, so maybe one of the afterstep screenshots isnt a good idea to
> show :)
> 
> I must say that one of the most impressive screenshots I have seen have
> been the ones on E's page that have demonstrated both form and function.
> One that I remember clearly is a screenshot where the guy was running  (he
> fit quite a lot on his dekstop),  Adobe Photoshop for macintosh,  Mirc for
> windows 95  (to demonstrate windows emulation),  Corel WordPerfect
> for UNIX, a few X apps  (which I dont remember... maybe quake?),  plus he
> had a little window open, that in readable text explained what was running
> on his desktop.  no gore, no exploitation of women.
> 
> KDE, on their page, also demonstrate a very businesslike and professional
> image.
> 
> Anyway, we should put together some of our own screenshots, to create our
> own image. I run a beautiful 1280x1024 display and various WMs.   I could
> put together some pretty screenshots of what kind of functionality I have,
> if only someone showed me how to make a screenshot (I dont know how, sorry):
> 
> -Irving
> 
> On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Robert Watson wrote:
> 
> > Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:24:27 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: Robert Watson <robert@cyrus.watson.org>
> > Reply-To: Robert Watson <robert+freebsd@cyrus.watson.org>
> > To: Irving Popovetsky <irvingp@puck.nether.net>
> > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
> > Subject: Re: Screen Shot
> > 
> > 
> > So one unfortunate thing about the AfterStep and Enlightenment screen
> > shots is as follows: a number of people I showed them to indicated that
> > the objectified women (scantily clad) weren't so very encouraging when it
> > came to selecting a desktop for use in a business.  They were more
> > interested in a professional-looking interface than this :).  Microsoft,
> > for example, does not advertise their Scantily-Clad Women Desktop Theme as
> > a major feature of their windows products.  While it would be unrealistic
> > to expect that people do not use X-Windows for this kind of thing,
> > attempting to advertise a product as a competitor with WindowsNT as a
> > business server platform might benefit from a little less of this :).
> > 
> > On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Irving Popovetsky wrote:
> > 
> > > Some of the most impressive screenshots that I have personally seen have
> > > been on the webpages of various Window Managers:
> > > 
> > > www.enlightenment.org  (enlightenment wm)
> > > www.afterstep.org  (afterstep)
> > > www.kde.org   (the K Desktop environment)
> > > 
> > > in their screenshots gallieries.  While most of these screenshots were
> > > taken on Linux boxen, its still just XFree86 that they are running, and I
> > > have been able to achieve similar on my FreeBSD box.
> > > 
> > > But some of those look real pretty, and make just as great of an argument
> > > for us as they do for the linux people, maybe even a better one :)
> > > 
> > > -Irving
> > > 
> > > On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Adrian T. Filipi-Martin wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:22:29 -0400 (EDT)
> > > > From: "Adrian T. Filipi-Martin" <atf3r@cs.virginia.edu>
> > > > Reply-To: Adrian Filipi-Martin <adrian@virginia.edu>
> > > > To: Malartre <malartre@aei.ca>
> > > > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
> > > > Subject: Re: Screen Shot
> > > > 
> > > > On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Malartre wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Hey, I have seen a lot of people who where wanting screen shot.
> > > > > Why not giving them the screen shot on www.freebsd.org?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Like a link on the first page to "what freebsd look like"
> > > > > 
> > > > > Unix seems strange to new user...
> > > > 
> > > > 	Well, I doubt a single screen shot coulw convey much of anything.
> > > > There are just too many things that could be on a FreeBSD display. What
> > > > would it be: X, emacs, the console, quake2, etc.?
> > > > 
> > > > 	I suppose one rather impressive image involving FreeBSD is the
> > > > Toshiba Libretto picture from  the PAO project page.  I just love that the
> > > > X11 is runnig on FreeBSD o a computer that is not as deep as the SUN mouse
> > > > next to it.
> > > > 
> > > > 	Adrian
> > > > --
> > > > adrian@virginia.edu        ---->>>>| If I were stranded on a desert island, and
> > > > System Administrator         --->>>| I could only have one OS for my computer,
> > > > Neurosurgical Visualization Lab ->>| it would be FreeBSD.  Think about it.....
> > > > http://www.nvl.virginia.edu/     ->|      http://www.freebsd.org/
> > > > 
> > > > 
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> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -Irving Popovetsky
> > >  ANS Communications - BigDial Operations Assistant
> > >  Pioneer High School - Webmaster
> > > 
> > >  grok: /grok/, var. /grohk/ vt. [from the novel "Stranger in a Strange
> > > Land", by Robert A. Heinlein, where it is a Martian word meaning literally
> > > `to drink' and metaphorically `to be one with'] The emphatic form is `grok
> > > in fullness'. 1. To understand, usually in a global sense. Connotes
> > > intimate and exhaustive knowledge.
> > > 
> > > 
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> > > 
> > 
> > 
> >   Robert N Watson 
> > 
> > 
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> 
> 
> -Irving Popovetsky
>  ANS Communications - BigDial Operations Assistant
>  Pioneer High School - Webmaster
> 
>  grok: /grok/, var. /grohk/ vt. [from the novel "Stranger in a Strange
> Land", by Robert A. Heinlein, where it is a Martian word meaning literally
> `to drink' and metaphorically `to be one with'] The emphatic form is `grok
> in fullness'. 1. To understand, usually in a global sense. Connotes
> intimate and exhaustive knowledge.
> 
> 


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