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Date:      Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:38:10 +0930
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>
Cc:        questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Self-initiated DOS? (was: signature?)
Message-ID:  <20000904143809.B456@wantadilla.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <14771.10887.56293.866190@guru.mired.org>; from mwm@mired.org on Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 11:52:23PM -0500
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On Sunday,  3 September 2000 at 23:52:23 -0500, Mike Meyer wrote:
> Greg Lehey writes:
>> On Sunday,  3 September 2000 at 13:36:47 -0500, Mike Meyer wrote:
>>> groggy@iname.com writes:
>>>>> It's not port UDP 68, it's netbios-ns; it's Windows boxs that like to do a
>>>>> netbios nameserver lookup on whoever connections to them. MS assumed that
>>>>> anything connecting to them "must" be a windows box and tries to log the
>>>>> Netbios name of it.... these end up as mostly noise in firewall logs.
>>>>>
>>>>> I specifically disabled monitoring of UDP 137/138 in my own firewalls as the
>>>>> number of stupid IIS servers that kept trying to find out the netbios name
>>>>> of the squid proxies was filling the logs with useless information...
>>>> this sounds good to me :)  i figured it was some IIS crap ...
>>>> i think my ISP recently replaced their SunOS and System V boxes
>>>> with IIS servers - i know they renamed all their boxes - and that's
>>>> when this problem started.  it still bothers me that they have a right
>>>> to clutter my connection with so much useless garbage!  i mean, it does
>>>> cause "stalls" on connections to my server since 10 seconds
>>>> of every minute my connectin is jammed with this garbage ...
>>>> it would be a hassle to change providers for many reasons,
>>>> do i have any right to make them stop? :)  i mean, it's
>>>> almost a DOS attack, isn't it? :)
>>> If you feel like it's a DOS (or some other form of) attack, then it
>>> is. Treat it as one - as correctly as possible. Don't assume that they
>>> are doing it on purpose, or even know that it's going on. Report it as
>>> an attack that may be coming from somone having broken into their
>>> systems, and ask them to deal with it.
>> It's difficult to say "I'm having a denial of service attack, and it's
>> coming from my machine" and be convincing.
>
> If that's in deed the case, you're right. But from the description
> above, the IIS servers are doing queries they really have no business
> doing.

No, all the trace showed was two different systems querying a third
one.  One of them appears to be the local machine.

Greg
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