Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 12:23:35 +0100 From: Joel Dahl <joel@vnode.se> To: =?utf-8?Q?Bart=C5=82omiej?= Rutkowski <robak@freebsd.org> Cc: Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org>, Eric Badger <badger@freebsd.org>, src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r314036 - head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall/scripts Message-ID: <20170222112335.GA29481@ymer.vnode.se> In-Reply-To: <CAGFrfxaoQccZAt%2BRowF2eH5TS0poJUojhHMe=JFfutwoabhBDQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <201702210937.v1L9bY6V093836@repo.freebsd.org> <28a4cf5e-2edd-3e30-9ecd-817f886e9ea3@FreeBSD.org> <20170221144002.GA87822@FreeBSD.org> <CAGFrfxaoQccZAt%2BRowF2eH5TS0poJUojhHMe=JFfutwoabhBDQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 07:56:52AM +0000, Bartłomiej Rutkowski wrote: > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 08:34:29AM -0600, Eric Badger wrote: > > > Thanks for working on making it easier to harden FreeBSD. While > > > defaulting some of these options to "on" seem pretty harmless (e.g. > > > random_pid), others are likely to cause confusion for new and > > > experienced users alike (e.g. proc_debug. I've never used that option > > > before, so I gave it a try. It simply causes gdb to hang when attempting > > > to start a process, with no obvious indication of why). > > > > I concur. In fact, harmless knobs should probably be turned on by default > > in FreeBSD itself (i.e., without any "hardening" help from the installer), > > while more intrusive ones should be opt-in, not opt-out. > > > > ./danfe > > > > I strongly believe we should, by default, ship as secured and hardened as > possible in order to improve overall security of new users installations. > Power users will and do change the OS as they please, they most likely > don't use bsdinstall in first place, so they're not affected in any way. Sorry, I strongly disagree with that. I'm most likely a "power user" and I use bsdinstall. -- Joel
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