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Date:      Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:42:46 -0700
From:      Bora Akyol <akyol@wireless.Stanford.EDU>
To:        freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Cc:        freebsd-chat@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Opinions? 
Message-ID:  <199607171942.MAA28449@wireless.Stanford.EDU>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:02:32 MST." <1073.837630152@time.cdrom.com> 

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> While I don't disagree with any of your major points, and agree that
> NT is *definitely* something we should be afraid (very afraid) of, I
> think you missed one important point about it which Microsoft will be
> the last to mention in their sales hype:  Cost.
> 
> Task: Create a small ISP using 3 or 4 PCs which will provide web
> service, POP email accounts, News, DNS, dial-in SLIP/PPP and general
> routing.  Say we're also projecting between 500-1000 users as our
> target customer base within a 6 month timeframe (and, assuming we live
> in an area where coverage is still somewhat spotty, that's not an
> unrealistic expectation at all) so we need to make sure we can grow
> into that without too much pain since we'll already be going insane
> trying to get the billing set up, the tech support hotline staffed,
> etc.  The last thing we need is for our tech to run out of steam
> halfway down the line.
> 
> Now, go price 3 copies of NT Server plus the 1000 user commercial pop
> package you'll have to buy along with the relevant DNS, News and
> SLIP/PPP software (also throw in NFS so that you can eventually share
> filesystems with that SGI Challenge machine you've got your lustful
> eyes on and will buy once you hit 500 users to take some of the load
> off).  See the total you're quoted.  Suffer heart failure.  Be revived
> by paramedics.  Send $39.95 from your hospital bed to Walnut Creek
> CDROM for *one* copy of FreeBSD and swear off Microsoft forever. :-)
> 
> Seriously, NT looks attractive from a single-user standpoint, I'll
> give it full marks for that, but once you try and put together even
> half of the packages you get for free under UNIX to create a small ISP
> or business server application, you're talking some serious bucks and,
> from everything I've heard, you won't even get close to the
> performance of a well-tuned *BSD box doing the same thing once you're
> done.
> 
> Eventually I suppose that Microsoft will catch on to this and/or the
> free software community will provide some of the missing pieces, but
> that doesn't help today's customers very much.
> 
> 					Jordan
> 
I agree with this, even as a single, technical user NT was not viable for me.
I needed NFS, mail service, X windows, Tex/Latex/Xdvi.

Here is the prices:
1_ NT student version 99.00
2. XServer+NFS = $400.00
3. Mail Server= DOn't know
4. Latex/Tex/Xdvi = Free
Cost = 499.00 plus 100.00 for tolerating the .INI files, using \ instead of / 
probably.

FreeBSD cost me nothing and came with all the stuff that I needed.

Of course if you are a novice user, the learning curve for UNIX is much steeper
than NT since we don't have graphical user interface. But hacking a tk 
interface
should not be that hard. RedHat software has a good GUI for system management
that pretty much does everything so it is possible.

Bora





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