Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 04:35:44 +0100 From: Thomas Seck <tmseck-lists@netcologne.de> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -STABLE was stable for long time Message-ID: <20021118033544.GB755@laurel.tmseck.homedns.org> In-Reply-To: <20021117224133.A23359-100000@hub.org> References: <20021118023431.60AA1286A5@mail.tmseck.homedns.org> <20021117224133.A23359-100000@hub.org>
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* Marc G. Fournier (scrappy@hub.org):
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Thomas Seck wrote:
> > * Marc G. Fournier (scrappy@hub.org):
> > > What I'm complaining about is that those that are MFCng to -STABLE seem to
> > > be leaving it as "it works on my hardware, so it must work" and drop'ng
> > > responsibility for their changes ...
> >
> > Well, this sounds somewhat familiar to me. But you must agree that the
> > situation at your site is hard to reproduce for any developer unless you
> > give him or her shell access.
>
> Actually, when Matt Dillon worked with me on one of the crashes, whenever
> it crashed, I'd compress the vmcore for him to ftp down to his server to
> work on, as well as the kernel.debug file ... I offered him shell access,
> but, in his opinion, it was easier for him to work locally where he
> already had his debug environment setup ...
>
> And I'm willing to make those vmcore's available to anyone that wishes to
> debug the problems ... but the only one that has ever step'd up to that
> plate *so far* has been Matt ...
Well, maybe the problem was not interesting enough (or too difficult to
track down). It's a pity but you cannot force an unpaid volunteer into
solving a problem he does not think he triggered...
> If ppl like me take snapshots periodically of STABLE and pound the hell
> out of it in a real life scenario, then the bugs don't get a chance to
> pile up ... the overall system *would* stay stable ...
Well, why not. The only problem I see (with my sleepy eyes) is how to
distinguish HW problems from SW problems under heavy load (i386 HW is of
extremely low quality these days, not to mention the thermal issues with
today's processors).
--Thomas
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