Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:48:11 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu <itetcu@FreeBSD.org> To: tmseck-lists@netcologne.de (Thomas-Martin Seck) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: correct location for third party /var files Message-ID: <20100318004811.57d0f060@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: <20100317184936.2310.qmail@wcfields.tmseck.homedns.org> References: <20100316183304.GF71601@hades.panopticon> <20100317184936.2310.qmail@wcfields.tmseck.homedns.org>
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On 17 Mar 2010 18:49:36 -0000
tmseck-lists@netcologne.de (Thomas-Martin Seck) wrote:
> * Dmitry Marakasov <amdmi3@amdmi3.ru> [gmane.os.freebsd.devel.ports]:
>=20
> > * Eitan Adler (eitanadlerlist@gmail.com) wrote:
> >=20
> >> Are third party tools supposed to use /usr/local/var or /var ?
> >=20
> > /var, absolutely. Everything that uses /usr/local/var or, even
> > worse, /usr/local/${PORTNAME} should be fixed.
>=20
> I beg to differ, especially your absolute posturing, but take this as
> the opinion of an aging fart.
>=20
> When I started maintaining ports in 2004, the (or at least my) goal
> was to avoid absolute paths in pkg-plist like the plague, that is why
> I do not bother to use something /var/cache/squid or /var/log/squid
> instead of PREFIX/squid/{logs,cache}. There is IMHO nothing wrong
> with storing variable data in $PREFIX/portname/ as long as this is
> sensibly done. $PREFIX/portname/var or $PREFIX/var/portname on the
> other hand is usually just a sign of sloppy porting and should be
> fixed.
>=20
> Trying to separate static and variable data and scattering said data
> across filesystems just for the sake of it or for arcane aesthetic
> reasons is - IMO - not really helpful for the user. The most important
> point is that you should never deviate to much from the directory
> layout that the software authors have in mind: users might have a
> hard time finding out where a certain directory that is mentioned in
> the documentation is actually located when the software is installed
> via FreeBSD ports (my current case in point: mail/sympa5).
Sorry to say, but you are very wrong.
There is nothing arcane about wanting to have about wanting to have
everything that's rw (as opposed to only r) on a separate file system.
Squid and sympa ports are wrong. So are a ton of www ports.
Just as an example, think of Nth jails which could nicely share via a
nullfs mount everything but the files that are either config or
variable from a "base" jail.
--=20
IOnut - Un^d^dregistered ;) FreeBSD "user"
"Intellectual Property" is nowhere near as valuable as "Intellect"
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