Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 16:12:43 -0400 From: Joe Maloney <jmaloney@ixsystems.com> To: Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>, Kris Moore <kris@ixsystems.com>, FreeBSD Stable <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, =?utf-8?Q?Goran_Meki=C4=87?= <meka@tilda.center>, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org, Emmanuel Vadot <manu@bidouilliste.com> Subject: Re: CFT: FreeBSD Package Base Message-ID: <6EB65F49-47CD-48B2-8C58-BF387D8C7A58@ixsystems.com> In-Reply-To: <201904291931.x3TJV73d079802@slippy.cwsent.com> References: <201904291931.x3TJV73d079802@slippy.cwsent.com>
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With CFT version you chose to build, and package individual components = such as sendmail with a port option. That does entirely solve the = problem of being able to reinstall sendmail after the fact without a = rebuild of the userland (base) port but perhaps base flavors could solve = that problem assuming flavors could extend beyond python. Joe Maloney Quality Engineering Manager / iXsystems Enterprise Storage & Servers Driven By Open Source > On Apr 29, 2019, at 3:31 PM, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> = wrote: >=20 > In message <201904291441.x3TEfMid072751@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>, "Rodney W.=20= > Grimes" > writes: >>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 10:09 AM Rodney W. Grimes < >>> freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> wrote: >>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Correct, this is ZFS only. And it's something we're using specific = to >>>> FreeNAS / TrueOS, which is why I didn't originally mention it as = apart of >>>> our CFT. >>>>=20 >>>> Then please it is "CFT: FreeNAS/TrueOS pkg base, ZFS only", >>>> calling this FreeBSD pkg base when it is not was wrong, >>>> and miss leading. >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Sorry, I disagree. >> Which is fine. >>=20 >>> This pkg base is independent of the ZFS tool we're using >>> to wrangle boot-environments. Hence why it wasn't mentioned in the = CFT. >>> These base packages work the same as existing in-tree pkg base on = UFS, no >>> difference. If anything are probably safer due to being able to = update all >>> of userland in single extract operation, so you don't have out of = order >>> extraction of libc or some such. >>=20 >> You missed the major string change and focused on the edge, >> No comment on calling iXsystems :stuff: FreeBSD instead of = FreeNAS/TrueOS? >>=20 >> That was the major point of my statement, your miss leading the user >> community, you yourself said this would never be imported into = FreeBSD >> base, so I see no reason that it should be called "FreeBSD package = Base", >> as it is not, that is a different project. >=20 > Taking the last comment on this thread to ask a question and maybe=20 > refocus a little. >=20 > The discussion about granularity begs the question, why pkgbase in the=20= > first place? My impression was that it allowed people to select which=20= > components they wanted to either create a lean installation or mix and=20= > match base packages and ports (possibly with flavours to install in=20 > /usr rather than $LOCALBASE) such that maybe person A wanted a stock=20= > install while person B wanted to replace, picking a random example, = BSD=20 > tar with GNU tar. Isn't that the real advantage of pkgbase? >=20 > If OTOH it's binary updates V 2.0, what's the point? I'm a little=20 > rhetorical here but you get my point. If I want ipfw instead pf or=20 > ipfilter instead of the others I should have the freedom. Similarly if=20= > I want vim instead of vi I should have the choice to install vim as=20 > /usr/bin/vi. Otherwise all the effort to replace binary updates makes=20= > no sense. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Cheers, > Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> > FreeBSD UNIX: <cy@FreeBSD.org> Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org >=20 > The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few. >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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