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Date:      Mon, 28 Dec 1998 22:44:06 -0800
From:      "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>
To:        Kelly Yancey <kbyanc@freedomnet.com>
Cc:        freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: (where are linux threads?) Re: pthreads question/problem... 
Message-ID:  <5058.914913846@zippy.cdrom.com>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 29 Dec 1998 00:28:07 EST." <Pine.BSF.3.96.981228234246.6617B-100000@mail.nerds4rent.com> 

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>   Doesn't it seem obvious to anyone other than myself that the current
> interest in porting Linux's 1-1 threads is a pretty good indication that
> people want 1-1 threads in FreeBSD? Is the only way we are going to get

I think it seems more obvious that the set of people willing to talk
about more aggressive threading models and the people willing to
actually do the work don't often (enough) intersect or there would be
more tangible development effort going on in this area.

Don't just gripe to us about how disillusioned you are over the fact
that santa clause was discovered to be a fake and your first sexual
experience didn't live up to its billing, that is merely extraneous
information and doesn't convey much more than "I'm really upset!",
something which won't get you much sympathy around here given that
we're not real big on maternal instincts around here.  If the lack of
something in FreeBSD annoys you, fix it.  Where do you think the
motivation to fix so much of what was previously broken in FreeBSD
came from?

> end up CPU intensive or not. So, now rather than having a relatively clean
> all threads implementation, I'm being told that since it was decided that
> threads are *best used* for I/O intensive apps, we would have to add an

Nothing was "decided" by any such executive committee.  Don't take the
remarks of some developer expressing his personal preferences as
decrees from the pope - we don't have one, nor are things in FreeBSD
determined by decree.  They're generally decreed by somebody picking
up a sword and screaming "CHARGE!", impressing enough people with
their bravery and general lunacy that folks start picking up their own
swords and running after them.  That is how stuff happens, not through
impassioned speaches that make various unfavorable comparisons to
linux and threaten an imminent defection to same in every second
paragraph.  Those sort of speaches do little more than convince your
audience that they're dealing with a major wanker who needs the facts
of life explained to him in a dark alley sometime, preferably with the
aid of power tools. :-)

- Jordan

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