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Date:      Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:16:38 -0800
From:      "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com>
To:        <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   RE: Smashing Bill Gates necessary? - ressurected?
Message-ID:  <005c01c1636e$50647dc0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>
In-Reply-To: <20011101103050.A96028@keyslapper.org>

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
>[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Louis LeBlanc
>Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 7:31 AM
>To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
>Subject: Re: Smashing Bill Gates necessary? - ressurected?
>
> Much as I hate to say it Ted, weren't you the one who originally asked
> that this thread be taken off list?

no

> I agreed with your  statement that it was way OT,  and the message you
> replied to here was sent off  list. And to someone else exclusively. I
> was unaware that  my statements were going to be  brought back on list
> by some  third party.

As a rule I don't post responses to private mail to public mailing lists.
If I did in your case I'm deeply sorry.  Are you sure that it was me?
This thread has gotten pretty long.

> I have no problem discussing these  things, either on or off list, but
> I am having a little trouble understanding just where you stand on it

Simple.  First, I assert that the idea that the anti-trust trial against
Microsoft shouldn't have happened is flat out wrong.  Second I assert that
the idea that the findings of the various courts in the anti-trust trial
are irrelevant is also flat out wrong.

Basically, the anti-trust trial SHOULD have happened, and it's results 
are binding.  Just because you or I or Bill Gates or anyone else doesen't
like the results, doesen't make the results wrong or irrelevant.  In fact I
consider that the issue of the rightness or wrongness of the results is
now completely irrelevant.  Obedience by Microsoft and it's supporters
to the punishment the court determines is the only thing relevant.  I
also assert that the judgement is correct except that it didn't go far
enough, and that Microsoft is even more guilty than what the court
determined.

I also state that Microsoft has had in the past (and probably still does)
a campaign to push the idea out there that they are the victims of the
DoJ anti-trust trial.  They also are attempting to push out the idea
that the results of the trial are irrelevant and don't matter to anyone.
Both of these ideas are carefully constructed lies by Microsoft's PR
department.

When people talk about the anti-trust trial as though it's results are some
kind of "suggestion", they are consciously or unconsciously spreading the
lies that Microsoft's PR department has created.  The finding of the court
is that Microsoft is an illegal monopoly, and people that do illegal things
are criminals.  Bill Gates and the other company officers of Microsoft should
be put in prison for a time like any other criminal so they can reflect on
their crimes and understand that there is a price to unethical business
practices.

People that argue that MS is being persecuted have no understanding of
the elaborate lies and deception that Microsoft practiced and the threats
and harassment that they practice and still practice, and the unethical
contracts that they force OEMs to sign.  Microsoft literally destroyed
one of my previous employers (a software developer)
with their unethical business dealings and I know that it's true that they
are a pack of criminals, I've seen it happen right in front of me. 

Ted Mittelstaedt                                       tedm@toybox.placo.com
Author of:                           The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide
Book website:                          http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com

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