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Date:      Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:30:24 +0100
From:      J Wunsch <j@uriah.heep.sax.de>
To:        Brian Somers <brian@awfulhak.org>
Cc:        John-Mark Gurney <gurney_j@efn.org>, freebsd-bugs@hub.freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: kern/5404: slXX slip (tun & ppp) interfaces always point to point
Message-ID:  <19980101203024.48956@uriah.heep.sax.de>
In-Reply-To: <199801011819.SAA19774@awfulhak.demon.co.uk>; from Brian Somers on Thu, Jan 01, 1998 at 06:19:50PM %2B0000
References:  <19980101185007.59283@uriah.heep.sax.de> <199801011819.SAA19774@awfulhak.demon.co.uk>

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As Brian Somers wrote:

> > Why?  Proxyarping is done on the Ethernet interface, and this one
> > still has a netmask.
> 
> I mean in the sense that the client cannot broadcast on the network 
> at the other end of the pointopoint link, or can it ?

Broadcast relaying is IMHO not supported.

> could set up a static route for the broadcast address.  That should 
> work.  I haven't tried.

Hmm, maybe this would work.

> > Nope, you can't.  `p2p' is an unchangeable attribute of an interface,
> > see IFF_CANTCHANGE in /sys/net/if.h.
> 
> Perhaps IFF_POINTOPOINT should be settable while the interface is 
> down only.

Why?  After all, this interface _is_ point-to-point.  Allowing to
change this from userland is stupid.  Maybe allowing it for tunX would
make sense under some circumstances, but running PPP over it really
mandates it to have IFF_POINTOPOINT set.

ProxyARP itself is already a big hack i would discourage except of a
few cases.  Don't give the people the feeling they could solve all
their problems by proxyarping half of the Internet. :)  We should
rather encourage people in setting up a clean routing than in setting
up hack^2's.

(Btw., the worst i've seen so far is HP's internal network.  This is
just one big hack, at least the part i've seen.)

-- 
cheers, J"org

joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE
Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)



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