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Date:      Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:41:45 -0500
From:      Kevin Kinsey <kdk@daleco.biz>
To:        cliftonr@lava.net, FreeBSD Stable <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: challenge: end of life for 6.2 is premature with buggy 6.3
Message-ID:  <48470C19.90709@daleco.biz>
In-Reply-To: <20080604204325.GD4701@lava.net>
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Clifton Royston wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 11:00:41AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
>> Jo Rhett wrote:
> ...
>>> But given that 6.3 is still experiencing bugs with things that 
>>> are working fine and stable in 6.2, this is a pretty hard case to make.
>> I admit to not having been following 6.x too closely, but are these 
>> things that have been reported, or problems you're having personally?
>  
>   Speaking just for myself, I'd love to get a general response from
> people who have run servers on both as to whether 6.3 is on average
> more stable than 6.2.  I really haven't gotten any clear impression as
> to this, either from posts on -hackers or -stable, and I believe I
> asked a couple times.  I've seen comments that 6.3 should be
> considerably more stable than 6.2, but also complaints about bugs such
> as Jo is commenting on, and I have not seen much committed in the way
> of errata fixes for 6.3 since its release.
> 
>   I'd love to pick up some more stability, but I'm feeling a little
> burned by 6.2 relative to 4.10, and thus twice wary.
> 
> 
>>> This is also a fairly significant investment in terms of time and money 
>>> for any business to handle this ugprade.  
>> Having an upgrade path is something every operation needs. "Set it and 
>> forget it" isn't a viable strategy in the current culture where 0-day 
>> vulnerabilities are becoming increasingly common.
> 
>   Fair enough.
> 
>   Now I must confess my ignorance; is there a simplest straightforward
> way to upgrade multiple servers between releases in the same branch,
> other than rebuilding each from source, or wiping and reinstalling?  In
> the past I've always done one of those two.

Define "between releases"?  If you have a machine running N.NR, then
freebsd-update(8), maybe?

Just a thought, and that not thought through,

 
>   For example, if I take a 6.3R CD, or build one for 6-RELENG, is there
> a way to do an "upgrade in place" on each server?  Or would it work
> better to do a build from recent source on the development server, then
> export /usr/src and /usr/obj via NFS to the production servers and do
> the usual "make installkernel; reboot;" etc. sequence on them?  (In my
> case I do have all machines on one GigE switch.)
> 
>   -- Clifton
 
I've heard of the latter being done with decent results.

Kevin Kinsey

-- 
No amount of careful planning will ever replace dumb luck.




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