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Date:      Mon, 25 Mar 2019 23:22:03 -0600
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
Cc:        Konstantin Belousov <kostikbel@gmail.com>, "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" <arch@freebsd.org>,  Rebecca Cran <rebecca@bluestop.org>, FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Adding a new efi-update-loader script: need help understanding Makefile.inc1 for "make installworld"
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On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 11:03 PM Rodney W. Grimes <
freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> wrote:

> > On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 9:48 PM Rodney W. Grimes <
> > freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > On 3/25/19 8:05 AM, Warner Losh wrote:
> > > > > We started installing /boot/loader with install world in FreeBSD
> -3.x
> > > and
> > > > > it has affected the boot ability that whole time... in the early
> days
> > > of
> > > > > loader, the kernel loader handoff protocol was immature enough to
> need
> > > a
> > > > > matched kernel. But that period lasted only a few months...
> loader has
> > > > > also been weird in other ways as well, since some embedded systems
> > > used the
> > > > > one in its, while others needed an extra step. As UEFI support has
> > > matured
> > > > > we're finding there are several issues around it as well where
> > > updating the
> > > > > ESP needs to be tied to updating /boot for the system to work
> > > sometimes. It
> > > > > has grown more complex over time, so we should separate. It's been
> a
> > > little
> > > > > weird on all the non x86 platforms to different degrees, but now
> that
> > > our
> > > > > main platform is affected it's become clear we may need to change.
> > > > >
> > > > > But we need to do so carefully as this violates POLA in a huge
> way, as
> > > well
> > > > > as needing doc changes in a bajillion places.
> > > >
> > > > I think we should treat files on the ESP the same way we treat other
> boot
> > > > blocks.  installworld should continue to install the latest version
> into
> > > > /boot (e.g. /boot/boot that holds UFS boot1 + boot2), but then some
> other
> > > > tool is used by the user to copy the updated loader.efi into the ESP.
> > > >
> > > > I think the main difference here is that traditionally other boot
> blocks
> > > > didn't change very often, so no one really needed to update it them
> > > > post-install.  loader.efi changes often enough we probably need to
> > > document
> > > > updating the ESP as an optional step in the upgrade process.  I think
> > > > having an automagical script will probably go sideways, but
> standardizing
> > > > where to mounting the ESP (or ESPs when doing RAID mirroring, etc.)
> means
> > > > we can provide a script with defaults (or instructions) that work
> with
> > > > the standardized approach.
> > >
> > > Is there anyway to stash an easy to extract "version" in
> > > loader.* so that a Makefile/.sh script could easily check
> > > to see that your boot code is == `uname -KU` and just emit
> > > a warning at the end of installworld?
> > >
> >
> > No. There is no simple version we can check to make sure things are a
> > matched set..
>
> Then I would call that a pretty fatal flaw in design.  There needs
> to be a way to find out what version of "loader" /boot/loader.efi
> is there.
>
> I was also not asking if we have a way now, I was asking if there
> was a way to implement, and I doubt the answer to that question is
> no.
>

I know. We've not needed it before, and I'm having trouble seeing it now
how it is connected to uname -UK. The path forward isn't DWIM. There are
too many variables. Without DWIM requirements, a tight, buttoned up version
isn't needed.

Warner

> Warner
> > > John Baldwin
> > > Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org
>
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Ask Google.

Warner

> --
> Rod Grimes
> rgrimes@freebsd.org
>



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