Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:27:24 -0700 (PDT) From: omnimpotence <rone@ennui.org> To: blk@skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Let's cool down (was Re: softupdates in latest build?) Message-ID: <199909061927.MAA04137@shell13.ba.best.com> In-Reply-To: <v04205538b3f9bc9bc966@[195.238.1.121]> from Brad Knowles at "Sep 6, 99 08:47:39 pm"
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Brad Knowles writes: At 11:29 AM -0700 1999/9/6, Mike Smith wrote: > I'll say it again; read what has already been said. Most of us are > heartily sick of your side of the argument, and you're not likely to > get many useful responses while you continue to display basic ignorance > of the issues involved. I think I'm beginning to understand the attitude problem that Linux advocates have accused the FreeBSD camp of. Well, you came in and rather undiplomatically and unfairly started bandying about words like "liability" and "huge security hole" over a feature that seems not to be the problem you think it is. Then you started browbeating people with "Cheswick & Bellovin"; you named the book in three separate messages! Are you trying to cow the natives with your arcane security knowledge? Simply put, you didn't do much to endear yourself; the annoyed reaction is not undeserved, i think. While i agree that "if you don't need it, don't include it" is sound rationale, by the time you brought it about, you'd already lost your audience. The best way to show your point is to demonstrate how the feature can be exploited. If you can't do it, then obviously it's not a major issue. Please give the FreeBSD's security team the benefit of the doubt; if they didn't know what they were doing, we wouldn't've gotten this far. rone -- Some philosopher realized that the way to make philosophy into a lucrative profession was to add the word "Internet" to it -- but made the description too turgid to be marketable. I'm not surprised. - John F. Woods <jfw@jfwhome.funhouse.com> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
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