Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:26:41 +0930 From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> To: Laurence Berland <stuyman@confusion.net> Cc: Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>, Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, Frank Pawlak <fpawlak@execpc.com>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: You've lost it (was Re:No port of Opera? (Was: ((FreeBSD :Linux) :: (OS/2:Windows)))) Message-ID: <20000709132641.A14455@wantadilla.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <3967D830.F8F0E918@confusion.net> References: <54397.962948030@localhost> <Your <4.3.2.7.2.20000706225433.0475b4d0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20000707004910.046d9ab0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20000707211520.00d4a5d0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20000708184514.04dbd220@localhost> <3967D830.F8F0E918@confusion.net>
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On Saturday, 8 July 2000 at 21:41:04 -0400, Laurence Berland wrote: > Brett Glass wrote: >> At 04:40 PM 7/8/2000, Laurence Berland wrote: >> >>> So we must not let this happen to FreeBSD, we must have native >>> support!!! How do we get this? We implement the FreeBSD api on Linux, >>> so that people will write to FreeBSD instead. Great! But, let's think >>> for a second. If it's bad to use emulators, if it hurts your platform >>> of choice, then why on earth do you think that a Linux user would be >>> fooled into using FreeBSD emulation? >> >> Because they will mistake it for a feature. > > At a bare minimum that's a naive assumption, and at worst it's an insult > to the intelligence of Linux users. Just because they don't prefer the > OS that you and I prefer doesn't mean they aren't smart enough to see > this as what it is. The only reason they would adopt this emulation is > if we can show them real gain through its use. If nothing else, this is > a chicken-and-egg problem. They wont want it until they can run FreeBSD > apps that dont have linux ports, which wont exist until they use the > FreeBSD emulator, which they won't get until the apps exist... > >>> Which of course we know every Linux user wants to do. The cry of Linux >>> has always been "down with MS, up with FSF, and undermine >>> Linux!!!"...Oh, wait, they *don't* want to undermine themselves. >> >> They are much more fragmented than the FreeBSD community can be. > > Fragmentation is irrelevant, you say using emulation undermines the > credibility of the host OS, and Linux users don't want to undermine > Linux any more than you want to undermine FreeBSD. Hence, they will not > use FreeBSD emulation. If, on the other hand, emulation is useful, then > they might use it. I think the linuxulator is pretty useful, but you > think it's bad. Brett, it's been a while since I've bothered to counter your arguments, but it occurred to me that other people might be more interested, particularly the Linux people you continually put down. Have you thought of putting your arguments up on a web site somewhere? Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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