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Date:      Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:25:44 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.org>
To:        "David O'Brien" <obrien@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        "Andrey A. Chernov" <ache@nagual.pp.ru>, "Jacques A. Vidrine" <nectar@FreeBSD.org>, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/crypto/openssh servconf.c session.c
Message-ID:  <Pine.NEB.3.96L.1020420212351.64976U-100000@fledge.watson.org>
In-Reply-To: <20020420161149.B91386@dragon.nuxi.com>

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On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, David O'Brien wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 11:02:46AM -0400, Robert Watson wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, Andrey A. Chernov wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 10:46:22 -0400, Robert Watson wrote:
> > > > pain.  We've already had updates stalled by >6-8 months because of many
> > > > local changes, so that's a problem we need to be very careful to avoid.
> > > 
> > > You know, the only way to avoid that is to submit local changes back to
> > > official maintainers, not to lost them every upgrade or like! 
> > 
> > And the burden there lies with the people making the local modifications.
> 
> Not quite... or there would be a lot of FreeBSD additions I would have
> tossed out in various pieces of code.  Once something gets used for a
> while, it seems the updater has the responsibility to keep the
> additions. 

I wasn't disagreeing with that.  I was asserting that *if* you make a
local modification to some piece of imported code of this sort, then *you*
should take responsibility for feeding that back to the source of the
code.  I.e., If I go and start tweaking sshd, I should take some
responsibility for attempting to get the tweaks back into the OpenSSH
distribution.  What I said did not apply to the long-term maintenance of
local hacks to the code, although I think the real issue here is that
OpenSSH had simply become unmaintainable due to the sheer number of local
hacks.  While local changes are necessary, as I said in my original
e-mail, we need to avoid the gratuitous ones, and make an effort to merge
the changes back where possible.

Robert N M Watson             FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project
robert@fledge.watson.org      NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services



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