Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 16:40:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert <rna@reflectively.net> To: Gary Kline <kline@thought.org> Cc: Steve Roome <steve@sse0691.bri.hp.com>, Craig Hawco <dest@syd.eastlink.ca>, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bad IDE Drive Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.20L2.0010091606530.36442-100000@tsunami> In-Reply-To: <20001009120739.D15937@tao.thought.org>
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Hello, I used to own a Compaq Proliant 800/850 (one of them) with an internal RAID 5 array with about 4 8gb Seagate Baracude(SCSI UW). I had two of the drives fail on me after about 4 years, due to heat and just the fact that we plain ran them into the ground. I have a feeling that these new IDE drives, much like some old SCSI drives, have problems with inadequate ventilation. Most of these new 7200 rpm drives (IDE) run VERY hot and most people do not provide proper cooling for their computers. I recommend to anyone who wants to extend the life of their ide drives to purchase the "drive cooler" product from Antec. Not only do they cool the drives down they have a protective dust shield where the fans are so you dont contribute to dirtying the components. Also a likely scenario now-a-days is having your 5.25" slots taken up by a CD-R, CD-ROM, and whatever else you might have and having your drives crunched together in the internal 3.25" mount. Imagine three drives just sitting all together with metals conducting heat throughout one another, not good! Logic also reasons that most people dont check the heat of the drive, or have any type of secondary cooling for the drives. I dont think that its an issue of drive reliability but more so an issue of use and abuse. If you get a drive and run it for a year or two or three even and then all of a sudden it dies and you have no warranty it is most likely an oversight on the consumers part. I have a 540 meg western digital cavier drive from around 1990-1992 that still works quite nicely, never over used and always kept in a cool computer. I have used about every combination possible when it comes to drive types. I have had problems with all sorts of different drives and only minimal failures, due to the fact I keep ALL my computers and drives well ventilated and in my server rooms I always have auxillary AC. I generally regard IBM as being the top of the line now for new IDE drives, however they are more expensive. Seagate makes some nice IDE drives that you can purchase for decent prices while still getting quality. Fujitsu, Maxtor, Quantum, etc. are what I regard as the low-end pay for what you get drive manufacturers. I have seen more probelms with new western digital drives for some reason its as if they dont have the "quality" they used to be somewhat known for. I know this is the freebsd-stable list and this topic thread is 100% related to hardware issues but In order to have a more stable system (regardles of operating system) people need to realize the foundation of a proper running computer is something properly configured with decent hardware and a good OS. FreeBSD-stable is top notch as far as stability is concerned. Its the hardware now-a-days that is becoming a difficult viewpoint to retain. People want to slap an install on a system they picked up getting every bargain they can and cutting every corner they feel necessary to bring the price down. If you are like me and you have a 70/30 split as far as SCSI and IDE are concerned in your network you know how it is. You pay more for better equipment, it is something that should be faced and addressed since alot of the posts in this mailing list are directyl related to incompatible/non-compliant hardware. I have even contributed to the threads trying to get various pieces of equipment to work with this wonderful os that ultimately ended in me realizing that the 20 bucks saved on a perticular motherboard was not the way to go. I think we will see alot more volume of these types of messages as people grow out of linux for servers/etc and switch to freebsd as an end-all solution(hehe). I just hope their will be a certain degree of understanding hardware out there versus the other way around. Coming from the days of the 8086 alot of people learned just what hardware was about, believe me I have spent a small fortune on this stuff over time. -Robert Is there an industry expert out there who can give us some NUMBERS? Or do they even exist? On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Gary Kline wrote: > On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 04:10:16PM +0100, Steve Roome wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 04:35:17PM -0300, Craig Hawco wrote: > > > Ah, very true, but I can't afford to replace it. > > > It's a 1.7gig Fujitsu M1623TAU.. 3 years old. > > > I have a 4-5year old 1gig Seagate that's still in perfect condition.. guess > > > that tells you how good Fujitsu drives are. > > > > Well, it tells you how good that particular Fujitsu is. > > > > > > I had a whole batch of seagate disks die on me at one company. > > That doesn't tell me how good Seagate drives are. > > > > I have 600Gb of filesystem entirely on seagate drives here, some fail > > some run happily. No disks are perfect, but it's rash to imply that > > Fujitsu are a bad disk manufacturor because one disk died! > > > > Personally fujitsu and IBM are at the top of my list above seagate on > > who to order from. > > > > Steve > > I'll stick in my dime's worth, and ask a question about IDE drives > in general. > > Re Fujitsu, in 1991 I bought a 1.08G SCSI drive mfg by them that > ran flawlessly for 8+ years before it died. Consider this simply > another data-point. > > The question: How reliable are the new IDE drives? Is there any > published research comparing SCSI and IDE reliability? > > gary > > > > > -- > Gary D. Kline kline@tao.thought.org Public service Unix > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
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