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Date:      Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:38:11 -0700
From:      Julian Elischer <julian@elischer.org>
To:        "Bruce M. Simpson" <bms@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        freebsd-net@freebsd.org, Mungyung Ryu <rumuru@gmail.com>
Subject:   Re: ACE on FreeBSD?
Message-ID:  <48DAA533.3080607@elischer.org>
In-Reply-To: <48DAA4BB.7080907@elischer.org>
References:  <e465331f0809231512s444afacdk597878ac0692260c@mail.gmail.com>	<48DA5204.3030803@FreeBSD.org> <48DAA4BB.7080907@elischer.org>

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Julian Elischer wrote:
> Bruce M. Simpson wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I looked at ACE years and years ago (~1997) when Doug Schmidt was 
>> first promoting the ideas behind it. The whole Reactor/Proactor split 
>> pretty much hangs on the event dispatch which your particular OS 
>> supports.
>>
>> The key observation is whether your target OS implements events in an 
>> edge-triggered or level-triggered way; I am borrowing definitions from 
>> electronic engineering here.
>>
>> You could do a straight port with Proactor, but performance will 
>> probably suck, because both FreeBSD (and Linux, I believe) need to 
>> emulate POSIX asynchronous I/O operations.
>>
>> Reactor will generally "fare better" on UNIX derived systems such as 
>> FreeBSD and Linux, because its event handling primitives are geared 
>> towards the level-triggered facilities provided by select().
> 
> A true FreeBSD port would use kevent with AIO.
> At Cisco/ironport we use AIO with the build in kevent trigering to
> great effect. Certainly for sockets it works VERY well.

sorry I meant for sockets and raw devices.. (what we use them for)
sockets don't need AIO to work well with kevent but raw devices do.
Luckily it works as advertised.


> 
>>
>> In Windows, Winsock events use asynchronous notifications which may be 
>> tied to Win32 EVENT objects, and the usual Kernel32.DLL thread 
>> primitives are used around this. This makes Proactor more appropriate 
>> in that environment.
>>
>> XORP does some similar stuff to ACE under the hood to support the 
>> native socket facilities of both Windows and FreeBSD/Linux. It's 
>> hybridized but it behaves more like Reactor because we run in a single 
>> thread, and you have to force Winsock's helper thread to run, by 
>> preempting you, using some file handle and socket tricks.
>>
>> I don't currently know about stability of ACE on FreeBSD.
>>
>> cheers
>> BMS
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