Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:08:50 +0100 From: "Anthony Atkielski" <anthony@atkielski.com> To: "Andrew C. Hornback" <achornback@worldnet.att.net>, "FreeBSD Questions" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: DSL PPPoE with 2 NICs Message-ID: <006d01c16e11$5b7a5dd0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> References: <006301c16e0a$fca53ba0$6600000a@ach.domain>
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Andrew writes: > If $100/hr is a realistic figure, where do > I sign up? I'd like to get onto that gravy train... I've been on that train, but there isn't much gravy to it, after you deduct expenses. In fact, $200 an hour isn't out of line in quite a few cases. > Security happens to matter to some of us, and > I get the feeling that it would be easier to report > and fix a problem in FreeBSD than it would be to > get a fix produced for a router-toaster. If security mattered that much, you probably wouldn't be running any flavor of UNIX at all (except perhaps a proprietary, hardened version with a lot of modifications--and even that is iffy). > Simply because you could not configure a FreeBSD > machine "rapidly and securely" does not mean that > someone else could. He doesn't sound any better at it than I am. > I see... so that's why so many people out there > are rushing to toss out their FreeBSD-powered > routers for pieces from our friends at Cisco, etc. ? People with limited budgets may not be able to afford Cisco routers. I probably would have bought Cisco myself, if I had had the budget. > It may not be easy for someone who is new to > FreeBSD, but you are basing your assertion on > the idea that everyone that uses FreeBSD has > the same skill level with it that you > do. That, I can assure you, is NOT the case. It appeared to be the case for the original poster, or nearly so. Otherwise he wouldn't have to ask questions, would he? > Makes one wonder what you've been reading... Lots of books on IT. They correlate well with my own experience, too. > Again, your lack of experience with FreeBSD > is showing. Your posts would be more useful if you spent less time telling me that I lack knowledge or experience, and more time demonstrating it yourself for the benefit of others. > Most people realize that a FreeBSD machine as a > router for a small LAN makes good sense as it is > easier to maintain, easier to upgrade and easier > to keep secure. Then why are hardware routers so popular? > And once again, you're interjecting your personal > attack that I am attached personally to FreeBSD. I didn't mention you at all. It was a general observation. Whenever I find anyone going to a lot of extra time and effort just to get a specific solution to work, as opposed to just finding the most cost-effective solution for the job, I infer an emotional attachment to the chosen solution. There isn't any other way to explain that sort of behavior, and it is very widespread. For example, after fooling around a bit with X and KDE, I really wonder why anyone would choose to use these environments under UNIX instead of just running a Windows desktop. KDE froze three or four times in as many hours, and crashed the system once. If I wanted an enviroment like that, with ragged edges, partially painted windows, missing components, unstable applications, and a general dearth of useful applications to begin with, I'd go back to Windows 2.0 (and in fact the default twm looked a lot like Windows 2.0 to me). Only someone with an out-of-band reason for forcing the UNIX environment to work for that purpose--such as an emotional attachment--would work through all that, and continue to insist that he had chosen a "better" solution, as he reboots and tweaks and restarts ad infinitum. > I simply care to use the best tool for the job, and > a $100 router which can be replaced by a $20 NIC and a > $20 PC... well, you do the math. Let's see: $20 for the NIC, $100 for the PC (sorry, but $20 is not realistic), and three hours of work at, say, $30 an hour equal ... $210, or more than twice the cost of the router. Yes, I did the math, and FreeBSD loses. In fact, it loses just on hardware costs alone. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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