Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 20:18:40 +0300 From: Lev Serebryakov <lev@FreeBSD.org> To: Nathan Whitehorn <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org>, Alfred Perlstein <alfred@freebsd.org>, Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon@orthanc.ca>, freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) Message-ID: <57166870.5060104@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <57165C91.7070005@freebsd.org> References: <20160302235429.GD75641@FreeBSD.org> <57152CE5.5050500@FreeBSD.org> <9D4B9C8B-41D7-42BC-B436-D23EFFF60261@ixsystems.com> <20160418191425.GW1554@FreeBSD.org> <571533B8.6090109@freebsd.org> <20160418194010.GX1554@FreeBSD.org> <57153E80.4080800@FreeBSD.org> <571551AB.4070203@freebsd.org> <5715772A.3070306@freebsd.org> <571588BB.2070803@orthanc.ca> <201604190201.u3J216NQ054020@orthanc.ca> <5715968B.303@orthanc.ca> <5715A338.5060009@freebsd.org> <57165C91.7070005@freebsd.org>
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This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --ew0eshAVrfxHUBgS5pbvm6NKDmIwikIOT Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="GWcR6C3NuXf1hQsJ9NGDfAwsLRLrDhQpF" From: Lev Serebryakov <lev@FreeBSD.org> Reply-To: lev@FreeBSD.org To: Nathan Whitehorn <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org>, Alfred Perlstein <alfred@freebsd.org>, Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon@orthanc.ca>, freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Message-ID: <57166870.5060104@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) References: <20160302235429.GD75641@FreeBSD.org> <57152CE5.5050500@FreeBSD.org> <9D4B9C8B-41D7-42BC-B436-D23EFFF60261@ixsystems.com> <20160418191425.GW1554@FreeBSD.org> <571533B8.6090109@freebsd.org> <20160418194010.GX1554@FreeBSD.org> <57153E80.4080800@FreeBSD.org> <571551AB.4070203@freebsd.org> <5715772A.3070306@freebsd.org> <571588BB.2070803@orthanc.ca> <201604190201.u3J216NQ054020@orthanc.ca> <5715968B.303@orthanc.ca> <5715A338.5060009@freebsd.org> <57165C91.7070005@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <57165C91.7070005@freebsd.org> --GWcR6C3NuXf1hQsJ9NGDfAwsLRLrDhQpF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 19.04.2016 19:28, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: > 3. Have ~10 meta packages that just depend on sets of the 755 packages > and hide the internal details. This gives the user experience of (1) > with the implementation of (2), and is marginally more complex than eit= her. How does it help Slawa with his broken system when "pkg upgrade" replace only half of "base" packages? Meta-packages as they are now: "no files, only dependencies" doesn't help here at all. Really, if I want "base but no sendmail" I want easy way to see it after 5 years after installation, and 755 packages, covered or not by meta-packages, will need me to read all list of 754 packages to see, that there is no sendmail, for example. It is trivial example, but it is completely valid. And there are many other such corner cases, which is common for administrators and ops, but not for developers. Please, consider ops and admins, who must support old installations, often made by other, not-reachable, people, and stuff like this, --=20 // Lev Serebryakov --GWcR6C3NuXf1hQsJ9NGDfAwsLRLrDhQpF-- --ew0eshAVrfxHUBgS5pbvm6NKDmIwikIOT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJXFmhwXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRGOTZEMUNBMEI1RjQzMThCNjc0QjMzMEFF QUIwM0M1OEJGREM0NzhGAAoJEOqwPFi/3EePuYoQALRLdJkvrcoeMXTQyMpe/KAf kw31o9zrwP9JuGvgKVV7+iyURkR4r44ha/1oE0cjtCyun1ulRZChwhXHNoRAUES+ EBTHX4HohYcimq9O4jnHumbLQiKkXRwbuXH+/RAjS0dqV1ibZTE148cWtbg06nQe +iLrPl9RPBb4WoHeCc3u51POnSbZNBr+V5+HjTCcogLlQqFWdAACq4ppVRUtcRO3 BYMfrPEjILjDEMfJZ+5tXg/efP7JCHU4ym77T1xSTIiJxJhkhQ++doh01D4VjxqF ebFmjxbLMIdnrNVJUaLiPapcTVXiKYFMo1UM42pF2jn1P/327G1XaYSMGmI3RWyg xcJPBRR5e7692UimDxVhfny7HGyDeLQigOqBZxYZt5HoidSQmwdu4zmRgx66KCHN 4RS0v9qoMJm1gSxF4oeF8xKIXoD0ytq/13f+QIlL1GydiAikbx1aPfpCn/Ct/Yo2 DK07xXVTxyQZR+J7IUEcIwDnbYtdSPxH3nmYjUBTMeF6pRtsavDvJPINyD3ISyg4 q67CDPOWyCj4Lmft1URl8rBH6aXCYpPU8yyVgRL0bpQK5rHovGPCH22ck9wHV91u lcPyxAb0Hsw4De6eWf4P9iP4zo5yB+54U1p/ns/Zn/SGUZS8H9P3KSS/XlqAO2nr m2Fj6b6IMi/pJpX7Hnat =W3jw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ew0eshAVrfxHUBgS5pbvm6NKDmIwikIOT--
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