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Date:      Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:12:46 +0200
From:      Eivind Eklund <eivind@yes.no>
To:        Niall Smart <njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: allegro lisp
Message-ID:  <19980602141246.12993@follo.net>
In-Reply-To: <19980602121025.04763@cons.org>; from Martin Cracauer on Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 12:10:25PM %2B0200
References:  <E0yf1Z1-0001h4-00@oak66.doc.ic.ac.uk> <19980602121025.04763@cons.org>

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On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 12:10:25PM +0200, Martin Cracauer wrote:
> In <E0yf1Z1-0001h4-00@oak66.doc.ic.ac.uk>, Niall Smart wrote: 
> > AFAIK Allegro Lisp is used by quite a few people who run FreeBSD,
> > therefore I suggest we contact them to inquire about the possibility
> > of helping to ensure that the Linux version works under emulation on
> > FreeBSD.  
> 
> A fix for the 4.2 coredump problem has been committed to -current a
> few weeks ago. I didn't try it, but the change was supposed to make
> ACL work.

It has also been committed to -stable.  It seems to work fine.

> > As someone has noted already, 5.0 beta does not work in
> > FreeBSD compatability because it expects a linux /proc filesystem which
> > the emulation layer does not fully support.  Perhaps they will consider
> > modifying it to do whatever it is trying to do in a more portable way,
> > or at least one which is compatable with our compatability layer :)

They have added support for reading the FreeBSD /proc if the Linux
/proc isn't there :-)

> b) Should we try to emulate /proc, we will quickly run into problems
>    that kernel or process structure internals will be exposed when
>    they shouldn't. Or in other words, there's a good chance that the
>    application in question moves from using an API to using an
>    inplementation, which is where we have to stop emulating.

Linux is already doing this.  They're exposing things that seem to be
very, very difficult to expose for us, and which I believe would limit
further possibilies for development if we choose to export.

> > If anyone here is friendly with the folks at Franz Inc. or has a support
> > contract with them and is willing to request this of them then please
> > email me.  Otherwise I will contact them myself later this week.
> 
> Please do so. Maybe they can provide an exact list they expect /proc
> to do (that menas what they are missing from the API). Also, check the
> Staroffice thread on -hackers as well, exactly the same problem.

I've been in contact with them.  I think they've resolved the /proc
issues, but they don't want to document that ACL for Linux runs under
FreeBSD until they know exactly how well it run, and can document any
limitations.

Eivind.

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