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Date:      Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:19:51 -0400
From:      Alex Goncharov <alex-goncharov@comcast.net>
To:        Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, alex-goncharov@comcast.net
Subject:   Re: Portmaster questions (Was: Re: Using Portupgrade?)
Message-ID:  <E1KQBDL-000BrE-VS@daland.home>
In-Reply-To: <4896904E.9070807@FreeBSD.org> (message from Doug Barton on Sun,  03 Aug 2008 22:14:54 -0700)
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,--- Doug Barton (Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:14:54 -0700) ----*
| It's really not appropriate to hijack the portupgrade thread for this, 
| so I'm starting a new subject. Also, please respect followups to
| -ports.

[ Being an inexperienced poster: sorry. Am I using a good cc: list now? ]

| Alex Goncharov wrote:
| > 1. I see a significant difference in the time it takes to get the same
| >    information using the two tools:
| As I understand it, portupgrade uses the INDEX file to determine 
| whether ports are up to date. Portmaster recurses through each 
| installed port and does 'make -V PKGVERSION'.
| 
| > 2. It looks like there are no `portmaster' equivalents to
| >    `portupgrade' `-P' and `-PP' options, which I want to have.
| If portupgrade does the job for you, keep using it. :)  I have said 
| many times that I'm not looking to write a portupgrade replacement. 
| Use the right tool for the job(s) you have to do.
`---------------------------------------------------------------*

Thank you for `postmaster' -- I do like it and am not trying to
criticize.  Hoped that somebody knowledgeable would tell me how to use
the available port management tools better, which you just did re:
"versions", thanks.

,--- Miroslav Lachman (Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:36:58 +0200) ----*
| You do not have to run portversion or portmaster or any other 3rd party 
| tool to check versions of installed ports. Use pkg_version which is 
| included in base system and then you are independent of port management 
| tools changes.

| pkg_version (by default) do not use INDEX, but have option to use it and 
| then become clear winner (in speed):

Thank you -- I didn't know that and am switching to "pkg_version -I"
now!..

| As I had problems with portupgrade's handling of dependencies, I am 
| converted to portmaster.
`---------------------------------------------------------------*

I've also had enough problems with portupgrade's -R option and
essentially stopped using it (the option).

,--- Marcin Wisnicki (Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:24:37 +0000 (UTC)) ----*
| It's not even doing a good job at it, standard pkg_version significantly 
| outperforms it:
`---------------------------------------------------------------*

Well, I guess I'll make another, better informed attempt to switch to
portmaster now.

Thank you all who replied for the useful information!

-- Alex -- alex-goncharov@comcast.net --



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