Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:28:42 -0400 From: "Constantine A. Murenin" <mureninc@gmail.com> To: "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@freebsd.org> Cc: miros-discuss@mirbsd.org, misc@openbsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, netbsd-users@netbsd.org Subject: Re: The future of NetBSD Message-ID: <f34ca13c0608311728j5b03e9dcqf03bb719f003d934@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20060831195609.P82634@hub.org> References: <20060830232723.GU10101@multics.mit.edu> <98f5a8830608301731s2b0663e3g94b0bd32f8a06a78@mail.gmail.com> <c6d37fe0608310259k12fe629eve59e59042fcfdb4c@mail.gmail.com> <Pine.BSM.4.64L.0608311312190.8977@odem.66h.42h.de> <950621ad0608310654h78ae0023g346abd108815ae72@mail.gmail.com> <20060831110112.J82634@hub.org> <f34ca13c0608310843p4e28b57eoec2f60737c034ddb@mail.gmail.com> <20060831184715.B82634@hub.org> <20060831223543.GC15085@jp.animata.net> <20060831195609.P82634@hub.org>
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On 31/08/06, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Thu, 31 Aug 2006, Pedro Martelletto wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 06:50:00PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >> Even at the kernel level? Look at device drivers and vendors as one > >> example ... companies like adaptec have to write *one* device driver, for, > >> what, 50+ distributions of linux ... for us, they need to write one for > >> FreeBSD, one for NetBSD, one for OpenBSD, and *now* one for DragonflyBSD > >> ... if we had *at least* a common API for that sort of stuff, it might be > >> asier to get support at the vendor level, no? > > > > Vendors should release documentation, not write drivers. > > In a perfect world, they all would ... this is not a perfect world, it is > one dominated by Linux or Microsoft ... I use Adaptec drivers on 3 of my > servers, because, in 4.x, they were rock solid ... in 6.x, they have a > problem ... Did you ever wonder WHY they don't work in the first place? Does your fxp(4)-based Ethernet no longer works with 6.x, too? The driver thing is really simple -- vendors either provide documentation, and their stuff works forever and everywhere; or they provide you some rubbish they often name "support", which basically means that you can only use the purchased hardware for X-number of years, until some progress in your OS is made, and then you are EXPECTED to buy a new device. Complaining that Adaptec doesn't support 6.x is stupid. Didn't they advertise to you that they support FreeBSD 4.x? So what is the problem? Either ask them for documentation, or go buy another controller!
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