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Date:      Mon, 18 Jul 2011 10:02:09 +0100
From:      Anton Shterenlikht <>
Subject:   Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore
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On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 06:05:47AM -0700, wrote:
> Joshua Isom <> wrote:
> > On 7/17/2011 6:16 PM, Mario Lobo wrote:
> > > On Sunday 17 July 2011 10:13:13 C. Bergstr??m wrote:
> > >> I hope gnome does [go Linux-only]..   Maybe then more
> > >> people would forget about it and focus on making KDE better ;)
> ...
> > What about enlightenment?
> For us old-timers :)
> What's the advantage of any of these "desktop environments" (Gnome,
> KDE, enlightenment, Xfce) over ordinary X11 with (say) FVWM2 or TWM?
> Certainly there are some useful apps that, for better or worse, are
> built with gtk or the KDE toolkit, but what does the full-blown
> environment really contribute (other than bloat)?


mwm is all I need. Since it is a part of
open-motif, which is required by few other
important ports like xpdf, gnuplot and teTeX,
I don't even need to install a separate twm.

I'd speculate that the idea that one
needs to install a fucking monster of
a package A to do a job B, and then
another fucking monster C to do a job D
might be coming from Windows world.

IMHO the old unix philosophy of
having a combination of multiple simple
tools to do a multitude of complex tasks
is still true for modern FreeBSD.

Anton Shterenlikht
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