Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:34:28 -0800 From: Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au> To: Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com> Cc: Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>, Warner Losh <imp@village.org>, committers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The recent fracas involving danes, war axes and wounded developers Message-ID: <199812280634.WAA08223@dingo.cdrom.com> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:30:01 MST." <199812280630.XAA23503@mt.sri.com>
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> > > of tie-breaking decisions when such are necessary, is that it be done > > > directly by original author/committer of the bits (and not by any > > > arbitrary 3rd party) unless.... > > Do you have any problem with this portion Mike? Part of the problem here is that we are trying to codify commonsense. It's obviously clear that we don't want eg. John Dyson removing all of the VM code in a fit of pique before he quits, but the basic philosophy is sound. I couldn't crystallise my misgivings about this, so I let it lie. > , and only unless, a *unanimous* core team > > > vote for its removal is made. Such a vote would be preceded by a 72 > > > hour discussion period, during which time committers list would be > > > also brought into the discussion in order to express their opinions, > > > the final decision still being up to the core team and its vote. > > > > I don't like this; it grants any single core member power of veto, and > > that's a current problem with our system already. > > I think the current problem is that we have people who think they have > carte-blanche to do anything they feel like. Now, in their defense they > often do things that no-one else is willing to do, so it cuts both ways. This is very true, and we need to find a form where these people can do the things that need to be done, but in a fashion that is deemed acceptable to the community. > I believe -core is (and should be) mostly a political forum, not a > technical forum. There are too many technical issues that are > understood *well* by people outside of -core, and technical issues > should be discussed by the folks who are most interested in the > technical issues, which in many cases are not -core members. Indeed. This speaks again to an executive group outside of core, in much the same fashion that you have a salaried executive under the elected political body in a western parliamentary system. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message
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