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Date:      Mon, 5 Jul 2004 13:19:34 -0400
From:      Marc Ramirez <marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com>
To:        freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, racerx@makeworld.com
Subject:   Re: training (was Resourceful BSD/Linux Network Administrator)
Message-ID:  <200407051319.42499.marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com>
In-Reply-To: <200407051108.08551.racerx@makeworld.com>
References:  <20040704121112.GK43549@iconoplex.co.uk> <32837.192.168.1.238.1089022879.squirrel@Illinois.DynDNS.Org> <200407051108.08551.racerx@makeworld.com>

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On Monday 05 July 2004 12:08 pm, Chris wrote:
> On Monday 05 July 2004 05:21 am, bja@Illinois.DynDNS.Org wrote:
> > > As for learning via reading: that is fine for many -- including mysel=
f.
> > > But many students need the extra push by actually attending a
> > > structured, hands-on class. Also classes, even running at a slow pace,
> > > can cover a lot more than a student trying to self-teach themselves.
> >
> > I disagree here. I'm a self-taught student and I doubt any classes would
> > have taught me as much as installing the system and using it day to day
> > for a couple months. I eventually set up a FreeBSD and my family and I
> > rely on it for just about all computer functions.
> >
> > Hands-on is great, but classes are not needed.
> >
> > Brandon Adams
>
> I agree 100% here. Nothing, I mean nothing can prepare you for real-life
> then setting up your own servers, then breaking them every way you can
> think of just to fix the issues.
>
> You can't learn that in a classroom.

Classrooms are not a substitute for experience. =20

However, don't forget the original author's point that _for many students_=
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they need the class.  And, yes, they don't strictly _need_ the class, but=20
there are a large variety of reasons that they need someone to be there wit=
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them while learning. I would venture that with the historical preponderance=
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of trade guilds, master/apprentice relationships, centers of education, etc=
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that the a large part of the population falls into this category.

Without that, you will have an elitist club whose members just happen to ha=
ve =20
already acquired the ability to understand the basic concepts.

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Marc Ramirez
Blue Circle Software Corporation
513-688-1070 (main)
513-382-1270 (direct)
http://www.bluecirclesoft.com
http://www.mrami.com (personal)
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