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Date:      Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:48:49 -0600
From:      "Jack L. Stone" <jackstone@sage-one.net>
To:        Jan Grant <Jan.Grant@bristol.ac.uk>
Cc:        Mark <admin@asarian-host.net>, freebsd-questions <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: restore question
Message-ID:  <3.0.5.32.20021118084849.01159fc8@mail.sage-one.net>
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021118082557.01159fc8@mail.sage-one.net>
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At 08:25 AM 11.18.2002 -0600, Jack L. Stone wrote:
>At 01:04 PM 11.16.2002 +0000, Jan Grant wrote:
>>On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Jack L. Stone wrote:
>>
>>> I missed this earlier. You say:
>>>
>>> "That is why the only clean way of doing this, would be to make a
>>> disk-image, like Ghost does."
>>>
>>> I'm unaware of any backup that takes longer than a nanosecond where files
>>> will not have changed on a system by the time you are done making an
image.
>>> Does Ghost sync the files again at the end of the backup....??? I am not
>>> anti-Ghost, just pro-dump/retore and dd after that and tar after
that......
>>> because I feel I can trust them with my data.
>>
>>Dump is NOT guaranteed to work taking an image of a live filesystem. If
>>you want this behaviour, you're better off creating a filesystem
>>snapshot and using your favourite backup mechanism on that. There are no
>>plans that I'm aware of to move the FS snapshotting code into 4-STABLE.
>>
>>jan
>>-- 
>
>Your comments take the thread out of context and moves far from the
>original post. I never have said that ANY backup of a live filesystem
>should be considered safe from corruption. See the word "nanosecond".
>
>However, to resond, if one has the luxuary of dropping down to single user
>(to reduce file changes and possible file corruption) and then doing a
>dump, the integrity of the backup should be reliable. Dump is the only
>backup program recommended by the Handbook as being safe and has stood the
>test of time. I cannot have the server down on a frequent basis, so I do
>dumps daily on live systems. Have used them on occasion to restore and so
>far, every one has worked fine.....including being bootable.
>
>Now, the original question was about the existance of a "Ghost-like"
>program to duplicate one HD to another. My observation was that dd(1) is
>the closest thing I know about and it's in the base system. BTW, I've also
>used dd(1) in a pinch and every case has worked fine there too.... booted
>right up and never any indication of a problem.
>

"....Dump is the only backup program recommended by the Handbook as being
safe..."

Pardon me. That should have been "....as being safe to move whole
filesystems....." Not a condemnation of other programs.

Best regards,
Jack L. Stone,
Administrator

SageOne Net
http://www.sage-one.net
jackstone@sage-one.net

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