Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:30:53 -0500 From: Joe Marcus Clarke <marcus@FreeBSD.org> To: Jens Rehsack <rehsack@liwing.de> Cc: FreeBSD GNOME Users <gnome@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: The GNOME meta-port Message-ID: <1067916653.25217.26.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> In-Reply-To: <3FA6E5E3.3050607@liwing.de> References: <1067879387.817.17.camel@gyros> <3FA69180.3060003@liwing.de> <1067900975.817.81.camel@gyros> <3FA6E5E3.3050607@liwing.de>
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--=-5R2LaxyR0GbqpF1Rm2UV Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 18:33, Jens Rehsack wrote: > Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 12:33, Jens Rehsack wrote: > >=20 > > [My soapbox elided] > >=20 > >=20 > >>Ok, I can follow you so far, but: > >>I don't think the only instant-workstation could be a kde one. > >>Ok, I was slightly advanced to FreeBSD when I decided to install it > >>on my desktop, but eg. people coming from OS/2 will feel more like > >>home on a GNOME desktop. So an instant-gnome-workstation and a move > >>of instant-workstation to instant-kde-workstation is not impossible > >>(and would make sense, maybe). But it's on another discussion. > >> > >>And greg's opinion to what's belonging to a meta-port or not > >>is very interesting. He didn't update his instant-server, even > >>squid-2.5 became the STABLE-release. > >> > >>What I'm trying to say: meta-ports are fine and great for easy use, > >>but the users should have the chance to request changes to the > >>default. In the case of x11/gnome2 they had to ask the gnome > >>developers, 'cause the defauls came from there. But if it's a > >>freebsd own meta-port (as instant-workstation is), the freebsd users > >>should have a chance to request for changes. So, x11/gnome2 and > >>misc/instant-workstation aren't fair comparable. > >=20 > > I think you'll find it as difficult to convince Greg to modify his > > meta-port as it would be to convince GNOME ;-). >=20 > That's bad to hear. I thought, FreeBSD's maintainers should be > progressive people? But several mails I sent to greg must be > get's lost on the way into sth. like a black hole :-) > So it seems you're right. Greg is also a stickler for adherence to email etiquette, plus he has some good anti-spam measures. You emails might not actually get to him. Every dealing I've had with him has been positive. He seems very eager to help on questions@ provided you follow the guidelines. >=20 > But maybe a new meta-port like instant-gnome-workstation isn't > something greg wouldn't reject (as long he doesn't have to maintain > it). I'll think about it and send a mail when I think it's grown > enough (to get instantly told what I've not seen/respected). I think it would be easy for anyone to create an instant-workstation-gnome meta-port. Greg wouldn't really be able to say anything about it since it's a different port with its own maintainer. If I thought my desktop prefs would be interesting to people, I might create an instant-workstation-marcus. >=20 > >>>My point is that meta-ports are geared more toward newbies. Advanced > >>>users can bypass the meta-port, and install only the bits they want.=20 > >>>Really advanced users (or admins doing bulk installations) can build > >>>their own meta-ports to easy the task of reinstallation. > >> > >>Maybe a message should be added to such meta-ports which says: > >>This is a default meta-port which is for generic use only. > >>If you want to customize your workstation, you should create > >>your own one by copying this meta-port into > >>ports/local/your-own-meta-port and modify whatever you want. > >> > >>Ok, not in this words, but maybe this could really make sense to > >>a) avoid future discussions like this (because the submitter > >> disn't search for the right words in the archives), and > >>b) it's just an instruction for users which will become > >> more advanced of what to do. > >=20 > >=20 > > I like this idea. Perhaps this is something that should go into the FA= Q > > as well. Are you volunteering to write something up? >=20 > I don't really understand. Do you mean: me - an absolute unpolite > guy - should write a port message which guides other nuts like me > how to customize their meta-ports? And you want me to write even > a similar message for the FAQ? After reading this paragraph, I'm _sure_ you're the guy for the job ;-). >=20 > I can give it a shot - not next few weeks, but at least after I > did finally test the patches for mga and x-server eric sent to me. Okay. If anyone else wants to step up to help, that would be cool, too. Joe >=20 > Best, > Jens --=20 Joe Marcus Clarke FreeBSD GNOME Team :: gnome@FreeBSD.org FreeNode / #freebsd-gnome http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome --=-5R2LaxyR0GbqpF1Rm2UV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA/px1tb2iPiv4Uz4cRAptoAJ95e03GE7oeiDGdoa5nn72b8TH3GwCgncQT k4OqJ8RF9C22b+sJrC5ZwPY= =JVIj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-5R2LaxyR0GbqpF1Rm2UV--
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