Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:31:37 -0500 From: robert <robert@mhi-tx.com> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I HATE WINDOWS NT... Message-ID: <37CAA3D7.1AC4F9A9@mhi-tx.com> References: <500E74157A46D211A87F006097295AFB090216@mail.automatedemblem.com> <37CA9BB5.4DB17926@3-cities.com>
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just a note. I happened to be in a class in the summer with a lawyer who specializes in computer related law. He told us that if you have a policy that makes all data the companies property (i.e. check all outgoing email etc.) then the company can be held liable for any e-mail etc. that gets out into the world. To what extent this liability is pursued is another matter. The impression I got was that if you are going to check every email that leaves your domain (or is in your domain for that matter) you had better do it well! and the employees must be informed of this (he recommends a signed agreement). anyway. just thought I would share that for what it is worth.. happy computing. robert Kent Stewart wrote: > Evan Brastow wrote: > > > > Kent wrote: > > > > >> It applies to anyone that does work that has patent or security > > requirements. For example, if you are involved in a special project > > and you don't want your competitors to find out what is going on, you > > certainly don't have curious people in the computer room. If you do, > > your competitor may just beat you to market with your own product.<< > > > > Okay - you confused me again. I'm not talking about one company's IT staff > > reviewing another company's email. I'm talking about company management > > directing their IT guys to be sure that email received by and emanating from > > their company does not contain sensitive corporate data, or offensive > > language as defined in the company's policy. That's not spying - that is > > standard practice that I feel should be adhered to by every company for > > their own protection. > > There are levels of involvment. The checking that you are talking > about is a special enterprise thing usually allocated to special > people. It isn't your system administrator because he has too many > other things to worry about. However, if you have an inappropriate > umask set or anyone with Root priviledges can snoop around and that is > what I'm talking about. You have to worry about both levels. For > example, a local company lost a mutli-million dollar contract and a > few months later, I heard that someone from security at the other > company called to tell them they had found an electronic copy of the > final bid package. Was it one of the team or someone from another team > that was curious, found it, and emailed it to a friend. He didn't need > to email it from one of the work computers because that certainly > wouldn't have been very smart. The email logs or header information > would have pointed to the responsible individual. > > Kent > > > > > Evan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kent Stewart [mailto:kstewart@3-cities.com] > > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 8:14 PM > > To: Evan Brastow > > Cc: 'Damien Tougas'; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: I HATE WINDOWS NT... > > > > Evan Brastow wrote: > > > > > > Kent wrote: > > > > > > >> Any time the operator has no need to know.<< > > > > > > Okay - fair enough. That doesn't apply to a company, then, > > as companies > > > always need to know what is stored on their systems so > > that they do not find > > > themselves liable for lawsuits, etc... > > > > It applies to anyone that does work that has patent or > > security > > requirements. For example, if you are involved in a special > > project > > and you don't want your competitors to find out what is > > going on, you > > certainly don't have curious people in the computer room. If > > you do, > > your competitor may just beat you to market with your own > > product. > > > > > > > > Just wanted to be sure we were on the same page :-) > > > > It was a ding :). > > > > Kent > > > > > > > > Evan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Kent Stewart > > [mailto:kstewart@3-cities.com] > > > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 7:47 PM > > > To: Evan Brastow > > > Cc: 'Damien Tougas'; > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > > Subject: Re: I HATE WINDOWS NT... > > > > > > Evan Brastow wrote: > > > > > > > > kstewart@3-cities.com > > <mailto:kstewart@3-cities.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Where I come from, that would be > > called spying and that > > > is a federal > > > > offense :).<< > > > > > > > > I'm curious about this. Since when did a > > company not have > > > the right to do > > > > anything it pleases with its own > > equipment, such as view > > > employee files > > > > stored on its computers? > > > > > > Any time the operator has no need to know. > > > > > > Kent > > > > > > > > > > > We enforce a policy here that states > > that users do not own > > > the computers > > > > they use at work. Where I come from, > > this is common sense. > > > They also, > > > > therefore, cannot expect any privacy if > > they put something > > > they consider > > > > confidential on our hard drives. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Evan > > > > > > > > -----Original > > Message----- > > > > From: Damien Tougas > > > [mailto:dtougas@converging.net] > > > > Sent: Saturday, August > > 28, 1999 1:06 PM > > > > To: > > kstewart@3-cities.com > > > > Cc: > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > > > Subject: Re: I > > HATE WINDOWS NT... > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I know that > > this might not be > > > the best place for > > > > this, > > > > > > but I need to vent > > to someone who > > > might understand. The > > > > more > > > > > > I use windows the > > more it makes me > > > mad. > > > > > > > > > > > > What have I been > > bitten by today you > > > might ask? Why is > > > > it the > > > > > > 'administrator' > > cannot have access to > > > user files without > > > > explicitly > > > > > > giving himself > > access rights? This is > > > creating an > > > > administration > > > > > > nightmare for me. > > If only I had > > > adequate command line > > > > tools, I > > > > > > could write a script > > that could take > > > care of the > > > > problem. Of course > > > > > > I could buy a > > command line app for > > > about $300, but to > > > > me, that tool > > > > > > should be included > > by default with a > > > server OS. > > > > > > > > > > Where I come from, > > that would be called > > > spying and that is > > > > a federal > > > > > offense :). > > > > > > > > The situation is this: > > > > I have a new hard drive > > that was > > > previously used for user > > > > files. It has > > > > filled up. I purchased > > a new drive that > > > is much larger, and > > > > want to > > > > now use this as my user > > file space. The > > > system will not let > > > > me move > > > > or copy files unless I > > am owner and have > > > explicit read/write > > > > access. This > > > > is just general system > > administration > > > duties, not spying. > > > > > > > > > Have you tried giving > > yourself backup > > > operator > > > > priviledges. You can > > > > > manage the files but > > not look at them. > > > > > > > > Does not work. I > > bascially know how to > > > acheive my goals, > > > > the reason > > > > for this post was to > > express my > > > frustration when it comes to > > > > getting > > > > complex tasks done with > > a GUI, and very > > > limited command line > > > > tools. > > > > It is just my way of > > showing a growing > > > appreciation for my > > > > FreeBSD > > > > endeavours. > > > > > > > > I appreciate your input > > none the less. > > > > > > > > Damien Tougas. > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send > > mail to > > > majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe > > freebsd-questions" in > > > the body of the > > > > message > > > > > > -- > > > Kent Stewart > > > Richland, WA > > > > > > mailto:kstewart@3-cities.com > > > > > http://www.3-cities.com/~kstewart/index.html > > > > > > SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial > > Intelligence) @ Home > > > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to > > majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in > > the body of the > > > message > > > > -- > > Kent Stewart > > Richland, WA > > > > mailto:kstewart@3-cities.com > > http://www.3-cities.com/~kstewart/index.html > > > > SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) @ Home > > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ > > -- > Kent Stewart > Richland, WA > > mailto:kstewart@3-cities.com > http://www.3-cities.com/~kstewart/index.html > > Hunting Archibald Stewart, b 1802 in Ballymena, Antrim Co., NIR > http://www.3-cities.com/~kstewart/genealogy/archibald_stewart.html > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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