Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:42:27 -0800 From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: <RacerX@makeworld.com>, <danial_thom@yahoo.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org> Subject: RE: Freebsd Theme Song Message-ID: <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNEEAAFDAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com> In-Reply-To: <439C3C3F.8070404@makeworld.com>
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>-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Chris >Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 6:49 AM >To: danial_thom@yahoo.com >Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Kris Kennaway >Subject: Re: Freebsd Theme Song > > >Danial Thom wrote: > >> Kris is just a PR front man for a "team" of >> developers that is lost. Their "theory" on how to >> build a better mousetrap for MP is completely >> wrong, and now they're going to try something >> else, using the entire FreeBSD community as >> guinea pigs. First 5.4 was the answer. Then 6.0. >> Now it looks like 6.0 sucks too. Its a damn >> shame. >> >> DT > >IF you are such a man that can actually call himself an engineer - why >hide behind Yahoo mail? > Good point. Legally no entity can compel Danial to hide his real name when he's making posts on his own time. This business about his job requiring it is pure bullcrap. Get on the cisco-nsp mailing list, there's plenty of Cisco developers who post from time to time with real cisco.com e-mail addresses. The only thing an employer can demand is such posts if they refer to the employee position at a company that the poster attach a disclaimer stating that it's not an official corporate communication, etc. as well as the person cannot disclose trade secrets. (and no, under the law an employer cannot claim that an employee simply talking about FreeBSD is revealing a trade secret, the definition of that term is fairly strict) But an employer cannot demand an employee must not identify his employer. Only a government can do that to a government employee such as military or cia or some such. I choose to use the same name in cyberspace as IRL, for a number of reasons, the primary one being I know that when it comes to brass tacks, you can run but you cannot hide on the Internet. Any investigative agency with police powers can get Danial's real name if they really wanted to, and there's plenty of illegal ways to to it too. I regard people who hide behind aliases as rather inexperienced and immature people, who have little understanding of how the Internet really works, but the fact is that a lot of people do it, and it is not impossible to develop some credibility with an alias. >Next, IF you are as you claim to be - WHY are you not on the "team" or >at least contributing code? > Chris, you cannot effect change by being part of the problem. If Danial truly thinks that the direction the core team is going with FreeBSD is wrong, then why would he be contributing to the problem by helping them? >To insult one person for not seeing your point of view is a show of >closed mindedness - to insult a whole list of users ... Well, I do think >that speaks volumes about you - as a whole. > Well here's from my POV for what that's worth: 1) Why the hell is this discussion even taking place under a thread titled "FreeBSD Theme Song"? 2) While the topic of this discussion is pertinent and interesting, I have seen no repeatable and even somewhat authoratative test results on all the systems in question. Simply saying "I copied a 200MB file across FreeBSD in bridged mode" is not enough. If Danial has seen problems he needs to post a website that details the issues down to a complete hardware workup and rundown on his network and test systems, and that includes results from the managed switches that he's using. 3) You by contrast and others have also not posted a scrap of hard data or results that contradicts Danial, testing that is repeatable and such. This entire thing would be easily solved by someone actually doing the work to verify test results, rather than a bunch of opinions. There's plenty of valid opinion-only topics out there, but this isn't one. Ted
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