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Date:      Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:05:37 +0200
From:      <Danny.Carroll@mail.ing.nl>
To:        <benjamin@seattleFenix.net>, <root@unixhideout.com>
Cc:        <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   RE: Cell phone crap.
Message-ID:  <6C506EA550443D44A061432F1E92EA4C6C5417@ing.com>

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This is getting a little loud for this list yes?
Can we leave it?  This thread comes up often enough as it is.

From past threads I think we can summarise:
- The list gets spam becuase it's huge and has a =
post-when-not-subscribed policy
- That policy is in place because someone decided the benefits outweigh =
the hassles.

Personally I turn on "View by Thread/Conversation" resulting in a much =
less annoying signal/noise ratio.

-D

-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Krueger [mailto:benjamin@seattleFenix.net]
Sent: vrijdag 9 augustus 2002 10:15
To: Mike
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Cell phone crap.


* Mike (root@unixhideout.com) [020808 09:19]:
>=20
> > At 2002-08-08T08:16:09Z, "Mike" <root@unixhideout.com> writes:
> >
> >> I'm not on this list to do the FreeBSD's teams bitch work.
> >
> > You know, I think that you just guaranteed that *noone* connected =
with
> > FreeBSD is going to help you out on this one.  I don't think that
> > anyone's getting paid to do their "bitch work", so I don't know what
> > crack you smoked to make you think that they owe it to you.
> >
> >> Make a spam team that does nothing but moderate the list's and ban
> >> losers that spam.
> >
> > Excellent idea!  When do you start?
> > --
> > Kirk Strauser
> >
> "bitch work" was a little out of line. I apologize. But i think you =
took
> it the wrong way. What i really meant by that was i dont feel i or =
anyone
> else should have to put wasted effort into something that an =
administrator
> with correct privledges could easily stop in the very beginning before =
it
> becomes that much of a problem. Again, none of my domains get spam =
that
> isnt easily taken care of. Your crack comment was cute. I now know the
> majority of what im dealing with, and why these lists get spam.

  These lists already employ standard practice spam filtering methods. =
Sometimes
stuff still gets through, but that number is dwarfed by the number of =
spams it
successfully prevents. You fail to realize that there is no "authority" =
here.
The folks who maintain the lists are volunteers. Everyone is a =
volunteer. If
you would like to help, then by all means offer your services.

  You have no idea what the "majority of what you're dealing with" is. =
There
literally a few ten thousands of subscribers to the list. Your broad
generalization of an attempted insult isn't cute or productive. I'm sure =
folks
would appreciate it if you kept it to a minimum so we can keep the noise =
down.=20
The lists don't get spam because somebody disagrees with you. The lists =
get spam
because spammers are still in business.

  Perhaps it would be more efficient and productive if you went and =
whined at
the spammers and their ISPs instead of subjecting a few thousand people =
to
your incessant whining that a FREE resource maintained by Volunteers who =
are
not compensated in any material way for their efforts is not up to your
personal standards.

With particular respect,

--=20
Benjamin Krueger

"Life is far too important a thing ever to talk seriously about."
- Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)
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