Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:38:00 -0400 From: Bill Vermillion <bill@wjv.com> To: Chet Hosey <chosey@nidhog.com> Cc: bv@wjv.com, Enno Davids <enno.davids@metva.com.au>, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) Message-ID: <20010404133800.I23799@wjv.com> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.31.0104041146040.32350-100000@web1.nidhog.com>; from chosey@nidhog.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:58:03AM -0400 References: <20010404114052.D23799@wjv.com> <Pine.BSF.4.31.0104041146040.32350-100000@web1.nidhog.com>
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On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:58:03AM -0400, Chet Hosey thus spoke: > It's not idiots, or security holes, or solar radiation that > plagues the 'Net. There is simply a lack of courtesy towards > others. How many kiddies have ever seriously administered a > machine? I'd say this is more like the 'me first' attitudes so prevalent. > Everybody should start with a *nix running on a publicly > accessable box. (Note: Linux doesn't count here, except possibly > really old versions of Slackware. Damned RH makes things too easy. > No X either - CLI, people!) Does it count if I moved my BBS to a Unix dial in system in 1985 or so. Then I became a leaf then a node. Ran the classic BNews - and it only took 4 hours to compile. Machine was so slow and low on memory that if a site accidentally shipped me a 16 bit compressed news hunk - the machine would take hours constantly swapping - just to handle that. A great many of the machines then used 13-bit compression for news, as it save a lot of space/time, but was swift to compress and uncompress. Motorola 68000s at 4MHz were not fast - but the local Unix systems surely beat the local BBSes in speed. We all had Telebit Trailblazer that would really move data at 18,000bits/second - before the V.32 9600 BPS units became workable and affordable. The first 9600BPS unit I saw was a BT at $5000. We got the TB's at 1/2 price - only $800 each - IF we were in the UUCP maps. Those were fun days - and everyone helped each other - and malicious users were few and far between. The BBS program had a feature put in by the guy who wrote it - in BASIC for Unix mind you - that if the user wandered into the system and saw the 'format' command, and tired to run it, it came up with the typical warning message, and are you sure. When the person type Y - it kicked them out and edited the password file so they could not login in again. I'd guess you call that a 'good trojan'. Really fun then. -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message
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