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Date:      Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:15:06 +0200
From:      lupe@lupe-christoph.de (Lupe Christoph)
To:        Mark Murray <mark@grondar.za>
Cc:        Y S <sunny_mcl@yahoo.com>, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: IPsec tunnel between XP and FreeBSD
Message-ID:  <20020828121506.GQ26115@lupe-christoph.de>
In-Reply-To: <200208272120.g7RLKdl5024447@grimreaper.grondar.org>
References:  <20020827210346.24979.qmail@web12905.mail.yahoo.com> <200208272120.g7RLKdl5024447@grimreaper.grondar.org>

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On Tuesday, 2002-08-27 at 22:20:39 +0100, Mark Murray wrote:
> > Thanks for your comment. The reasons I post this thread here are 
> > 1. I think inter-operability between freebsd and other OS is also a
> > big issue of security.

> General interoperability, while important, is not security-critical.

Seconded. But he is asking about interoperability of security software.

> > 3. I've seen some similar discussion within this mailing list.  (I
> > know this is not a good reason though :))

> Bad reason :-). This does not mean you are not welcome.  Once the
> general system administration questions are worked out, and you have
> some specific security issues, please post them here.

I thought the discussion about what is off-topic and what to do with
that has not been closed. While some people argue that this is a list
for security problems, there is definite need for a list that answers
questions related to security, software, sysadmin, etc. -questions is
not that list.

> > I will cc the question to question list too. Thanks again, 
> > Sunny 

> Good move.

Stoopid(tm) move. He will most probably hnot get an answer.

People wake up to it. Just sending people with valid problems off-list 
will not make this list better or even more important, help those
people. Do you really care more about this list being on-topic (however
you define that) than systems having better security?

The fact that there is no alternative to this list when it comes to
security-related questions will *always* attract people to this list.
Now, unless you get some joy from bashing people for being off-topic,
you will have no joy at all. So let's do something about it.

Either accept questions like this. Or create a list like debian-security
where the focus is helping people to make there system more secure.

Lupe Christoph
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