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Date:      Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:13:56 -0700
From:      Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com>
To:        Filippo Moretti <filippomore@yahoo.com>
Cc:        Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net>,  "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Problem with FreeBSD-11.0-Beta1
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Filippo,

If you missed it, this is a known issue in BETA1.
https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=211141
It was nothing you did wrong, but it does not look like there is a fix at
this time.

Please go to the FreeBSD Bugzilla <https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/>; and
add your report to confirm that this is not a problem unique to a single
user.

Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer
E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com
PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Filippo Moretti via freebsd-stable <
> freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> wrote:
>
>> The system was installed as 11_CURRENT and I did not have any issue until
>> ALPHA-4.I did install everything from portsand I did install all of the
>> /etc during mergemaster and mergemaster -p.I do have a another disk with
>> 10.3-STABLE but I never tried to run applications from current in stable or
>> the other way.Filippops I did delete an old library I rebuilt windowmaker
>> and I have no complaint about it
>>
>>
> And, how did you go from ALPHA-4 to BETA-1? If you updated sources and
> rebuilt world and kernel, it should have been fine. If you tried
> freebsd-update, that might explain it as that method is documented as
> broken in BETA-1. I am uncertain what might happen if you tried this. I'd
> expect that the BETA-1 update files would have been removed.
>
> Somehow your password file seems to have lost all of the users since the
> move from ALPHA-4. I suspect /etc/group might have done the same, but I am
> not sure. You might merge all users from the 10.3 system using vipw(8) and
> do the same with your preferred to /etc/group. I have no idea what other
> things might be broken, though, nor how it happened (assuming you did not
> use freebsd-update).
>
> --
> Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer
> E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com
> PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683
>
>
>     On Friday, July 15, 2016 6:31 PM, Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  On 7/15/2016 11:17, Kevin Oberman wrote:
>> > 11.0 has not been released. You are much more likely to get a useful
>> > response from current@.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 5:09 AM, Filippo Moretti via freebsd-stable <
>> > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have the following problem when I start the system:
>> >
>> >
>> >> Unknown user name "avahi"                      in message bus
>> >> configuration fileUnknown user name "polkitd"                  in
>> message
>> >> bus configuration file
>> >> Unknown user name "polkitd"                    in message bus
>> >> configuration fileUnknown user name "colord"                    in
>> message
>> >> bus configuration file
>> >> Unknown user name "pulse"                      in message bus
>> >> configuration fileUnknown user name "polkit"                      in
>> >> message bus configuration file
>> > Unknown user name "haldaemon"            in message bus configuration
>> file
>> >
>> > Failed to start message bus:
>> >
>> > Could not get VID and GID for username "messagebus"
>> >
>> > /etc/rc:Warning:failed to start dbus
>> >
>> > On the same computer I have a disk with 10.3_STABLE with the same
>> >> configuration files and everything is working properly.When in X  I
>> launch
>> >> firefox I get the following errorLibGL error:
>> > failed to open drm device:Permission denied
>> >
>> > LibGL error :failed to load driver: r 300
>> >
>> > This is very likely due to failure to start dbus
>> >
>> > sincerely
>> >
>> > Filippo
>> >
>> >
>> > Note: I have tried to recover the mail format above. Whatever mail tool
>> you
>> > used totally garbled things by removing line breaks.
>> >
>> > First, how did 11.0Beta-1 get installed? How sis your ports (X11, dbus,
>> > pulseaudio, etc.) get installed? When moving from one major release to
>> > another (10 to 11), you need to reinstall all ports/packages. The
>> > installation process is what creates these"users".
>> >
>> > It looks like you are just trying to run the things in /usr/local from
>> your
>> > 10.3 system. This simply will not work.
>> > --
>> > Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer
>> > E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com
>> > PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683
>>
>> Actually it SHOULD work unless you deleted the old libraries (in which
>> case it definitely won't!); the dynamic loader is smart enough to do the
>> right thing and load the correct (older) version of the shared libraries
>> required.
>>
>> If this has been broken in recent releases IMHO that's not so good.
>> There *are* instances where an older binary is all there is for a given
>> application (e.g. from a vendor!) and thus backward compatibility when
>> you roll forward the operating system is something that a lot of people
>> (myself included) have both used and relied on for a very long time.
>>
>> Yes, I understand that you can't *count* on that working, particularly
>> if the app in question makes explicit reference to things in the kernel
>> environment.  But absent that they certainly should run.
>>
>> One instance where they didn't was with the armv6/armv6hf case where the
>> floating point format changed, but that happened in the -CURRENT
>> environment where ABI breakage is a known (and thus accepted) risk of
>> running -CURRENT.  (That particular one manifested in some nasty ways
>> too in that going the "wrong way" would result in a binary that
>> executed, did not produce any exceptions or traps, but produced
>> incorrect floating-point results!  I have code "in the wild" that checks
>> for this specific circumstance on startup "just in case"....)
>>
>> Now if you do perform a merge and only accept part of it you can get in
>> a lot of trouble with user and group IDs and similar, which is what
>> appears to have happened here.  It's pretty easy to get bit by that if
>> you have local changes in your passwd and group files (and most people
>> do), "leave them for later" and then don't go back and merge the new
>> entries by hand.  That sounds like what's occurred here; check in
>> /var/tmp, assuming you told mergemaster to keep it when done.
>>
>> Since the svn repo for stable/11 is now there and when checked out
>> builds BETA1 this IMHO appears to be the right place to discuss it.
>>
>> --
>> Karl Denninger
>> karl@denninger.net <mailto:karl@denninger.net>
>> /The Market Ticker/
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>>
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