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Date:      Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:34:31 +0000 (GMT)
From:      Jan Grant <Jan.Grant@bristol.ac.uk>
To:        "Jack L. Stone" <jackstone@sage-one.net>
Cc:        Mark <admin@asarian-host.net>, freebsd-questions <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: restore question
Message-ID:  <Pine.GSO.4.44.0211181533370.22577-100000@mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk>
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021118082557.01159fc8@mail.sage-one.net>

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On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Jack L. Stone wrote:

> At 01:04 PM 11.16.2002 +0000, Jan Grant wrote:
> >On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Jack L. Stone wrote:
> >
> >> I missed this earlier. You say:
> >>
> >> "That is why the only clean way of doing this, would be to make a
> >> disk-image, like Ghost does."
> >>
> >> I'm unaware of any backup that takes longer than a nanosecond where files
> >> will not have changed on a system by the time you are done making an image.
> >> Does Ghost sync the files again at the end of the backup....??? I am not
> >> anti-Ghost, just pro-dump/retore and dd after that and tar after that......
> >> because I feel I can trust them with my data.
> >
> >Dump is NOT guaranteed to work taking an image of a live filesystem. If
> >you want this behaviour, you're better off creating a filesystem
> >snapshot and using your favourite backup mechanism on that. There are no
> >plans that I'm aware of to move the FS snapshotting code into 4-STABLE.
> >
> >jan
> >--
>
> Your comments take the thread out of context and moves far from the
> original post. I never have said that ANY backup of a live filesystem
> should be considered safe from corruption. See the word "nanosecond".
>
> However, to resond, if one has the luxuary of dropping down to single user
> (to reduce file changes and possible file corruption) and then doing a
> dump, the integrity of the backup should be reliable. Dump is the only
> backup program recommended by the Handbook as being safe and has stood the
> test of time. I cannot have the server down on a frequent basis, so I do
> dumps daily on live systems. Have used them on occasion to restore and so
> far, every one has worked fine.....including being bootable.
>
> Now, the original question was about the existance of a "Ghost-like"
> program to duplicate one HD to another. My observation was that dd(1) is
> the closest thing I know about and it's in the base system. BTW, I've also
> used dd(1) in a pinch and every case has worked fine there too.... booted
> right up and never any indication of a problem.

I congratulate you on your luck.

-- 
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