Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:53:26 -0800 From: "Justin C. Walker" <justin@mac.com> To: <hackers@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: Mac iBook OS10 + BSD Message-ID: <3C73A95A-1643-11D7-B983-00306544D642@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <3E06AC02.3BD0C826@ovis.net>
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On Sunday, December 22, 2002, at 10:24 PM, Steve Kudlak wrote: > > > David Hunt wrote: > >> I have been using Linux (Slackware) for a number of years on my >> desktop, and have never used BSD. From what I've gathered, BSD sounds >> like the kind of OS I would like. [snip] > This brings up an interesting question. Apple makes all sorts > of noises about BSD being the basis of the MAC. FreeBSD 4.4 has, more or less, been integrated with the Darwin/Mac OS X kernel for the 10.2/Jaguar release. It's a real Unix under all the colors. You can get at it with ease, using Terminal, or remotely via ssh/rlogin/telnet. Keep in mind that because there's a serious commercial product around it, and the heritage includes NeXT, it's not identically FreeBSD. The very low layers are Mach-based, which accounts for some differences. The networking is BSD-based, and incorporates much of FreeBSD 4.4, but is not entirely compatible. None of this should bother you if you are not deep into kernel development. > If I get the > bucks I may switch to a MAC. My question is how much of > the BSD operating system can one get access to on a MAC > running OS X? You can get at all of the low-level OS. As above, it's not identical to any flavor of BSD. > Has anyone done even simple things like > started up cron jobs Yup. > and the like to do housekeeping? Most of > the MAC users I know, know BSD is there but haven't done > much with it. IN fact there are noises one can't get at all the > internals and the like. Noises abound, but as is generally the case, the more noise, the less information. > Does anyone have any details about > all of this stuff. I know this is kind of general question to post > on this list. But so far even lurking this list is often where real > questions often get answered. Any pointers would be appreciated. You can lurk on the 'darwin' lists (http://lists.apple.com) for discussions of low-level stuff, as well as kernel extension and driver development. Try the lists at http://www.omnigroup.com for discussions dealing with the management of Mac OS X systems. Regards, Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | If you're not confused, | You're not paying attention *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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