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Date:      Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:22:52 +0100
From:      Kris Kennaway <kris@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Marko Lerota <mlerota@iskon.hr>
Cc:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Upgrading to 7.0 - stupid requirements
Message-ID:  <47E0249C.8030700@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <86eja7et3j.fsf@zid.claresco.hr>
References:  <867igo3cih.fsf@zid.claresco.hr> <47C749CF.4010501@FreeBSD.org> <86eja7et3j.fsf@zid.claresco.hr>

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Marko Lerota wrote:
> Kris Kennaway <kris@FreeBSD.org> writes:
> 
>>> Then the servers. Why should I reinstall all my databases and such?
>>> I always
>>> liked that FreeBSD base (OS) is separated from packages. And no
>>> matter what I do with the packages, my OS will always work. I don't
>>> want dependency
>>> hell like in Linux. Now you are telling me that my database might not work
>>> after upgrade to a new version. Is that it?
>> First, try to relax.
> 
> Sorry, but I'm pissed off now, not relax any more.
> 
>> portupgrade -faP requests to reinstall everything from precompiled
>> packages.  It will only fall back to compiling them locally if the
>> package is unavailable (e.g. for legal reasons).
> 
> It passed two days from portupgrade -faP, and it didn't finished yet.
> To be worse, I have to do it again because the PC had to be rebooted.
> So in the next 2-3 days I can sit with my PC and wait with him to 
> finish the upgrade. It will be three days because of Openoffice!@#!@#!@#!.

Are you connected via a modem or something?  2-3 days to download some 
packages cannot be right if you have a decent internet connection.

> And I have to pray the god that I don't have the power loss.
> Now apache and acroread doesn't work any more and I'm afraid that 
> I'll find some other stuff that don't work too.
> 
> So can anyone tell me this is not stupid??? Reinstalling all 
> applications because of upgrade? This can be called new 
> installation. Not upgrade.
> 
> Now I'm thinking that It would be much easier that I backup my files,
> databases and other stuff and do fresh installation. But why????
> So I can do the same thing when 8_0 comes out? 
> 
> This is the worst thing that I found about FreeBSD for now.
> This have to be changed or fixed somehow, because the upgrade
> is not possible if you have lots of ports installed, and 
> certainly can't be called upgrade!
> 

I'm sorry you feel that way, but you haven't understood the explanations 
that you have been given already.

Kris



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