Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 07:36:42 -0800 From: "Chris H" <portmaster@BSDforge.com> To: "Lars Engels" <lars.engels@0x20.net> Cc: <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org>, <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>, "Adam Weinberger" <adamw@adamw.org> Subject: Re: Procmail Vulnerabilities check Message-ID: <3625c09a0e95b835a6a84e2d76f961c3@udns.ultimatedns.net> In-Reply-To: <20171211104906.GW19238@e.0x20.net>
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On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:49:06 +0100 "Lars Engels" <lars=2Eengels@0x20=2Enet> sai= d > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 02:58:29PM -0800, Chris H wrote: > > OK I'm puzzled a bit=2E FreeBSD' motto has always been: > > FreeBSD > > The power to serve! > >=20 > > but many of the proposed, and recent changes/removals end up more like: > > FreeBSD > > I's castrated! > >=20 >=20 > So, then we should add a web server into our base! Apache? NGINX? Both? > But then, what about PHP? MySQL? PostgreSQL? We want to serve websites, > after all! Let's talk about fileservers=2E Samba! I could go on=2E=2E=2E OK=2E That's simply an irrelevant argument=2E I never advocated for the *addition* of anything=2E Only against the *removal* of something most users have come to expect with the installation of FreeBSD=2E >=20 > FreeBSD's power to serve slogan is about delivering the platform to > serve, not all possible server software=2E It just happens to have a mail > server in base because it always had, that's nothing that needs to be > kept forever=2E Probably 99% of the users don't use sendmail and the > remaining 1% know how to configure it, so installing them from ports is > a trivial thing for them=2E In all fairness, that's just pure supposition=2E I would suggest that it is more probable that more users use Sendmail 1) because it came with the FreeBSD install, and 2) as such, makes it easier to implement=2E 3) Sendmail is more robust/flexible OOB than than the other alternatives *without* the addition of other software/plugins=2E 4) An administrator *needs* (at least) daily logs, because=2E=2E=2E 5) Security is important, and Sendmail is cheap, and (unlike the bind) has a reasonable security track record=2E I would also argue that the most likely reason users don't like Sendmail, is because they aren't comfortable with m4(1)=2E --Chris
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