Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:59:58 -0700 From: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" <chad@shire.net> To: Gilbert Fernandes <gilbert.fernandes@spamcop.net> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, tedm@toybox.placo.com Subject: Re: Mach kernel and Unix over 68k : well before OS X (Was: Status of 6.0 for production systems) Message-ID: <CDFEA97C-4DC8-4066-9BE1-063EBEAB0E6C@shire.net> In-Reply-To: <20051119192941.zuo0kgggw4ck4o88@webmail.spamcop.net> References: <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNOENBFCAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com> <20051119192941.zuo0kgggw4ck4o88@webmail.spamcop.net>
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Additionally, Apple had AU/X running on Macs before even machten. Natively. Chad On Nov 19, 2005, at 11:29 AM, Gilbert Fernandes wrote: >> Consider that when MacOS moved to UNIX that all the UNIX software >> vendors could now easily port their applications to Macintosh. > > Excuse me, sir. > > Your discussion is pretty impressive and I have been reading it > with care. Honestly, I am far from having a distant enough picture > of the whole say to comment about what the discussion is about > (and to be honest, I am not even sure I do know exactly what > the point of the discussion is - please forgive me). > > But "Unix" has been available for MacOS users for a long time, > far before MacOS X went out and using a Mach kernel. > > It has been since 1996, over a Mach kernel. > > Years ago, I worked for the crypto military branch of my country. We > used Unix-based programs for some of our work. > > I had a Powerbook 190 and I needed Unix over it. After some time > thinking it was not possible, I have found that MachTen did sold a > Unix > for x86 that worked upon a Mach kernel. You installed it on your MacOS > and launched it from there. And you then had Unix running there, > over a > Mach kernel, with X too. You had both at the same time, running > friendly > together on screen and inter-operable. > > Vendors did not wait for Apple to let them run Unix software by using > MacOS X. Before MacOS X got out, you could already run a Mach kernel > over your Mac and compile almost anything there (anyway, all crypto > programs I ever needed compiled there - it took a few monthes). I used > it over MacOS 7.5.2 then 7.5.3 and 8.1 but I came back to 7.5.3 later. > > Motorola-based Powerbook with Mach kernel, happily compiling and > running > Unix programs with a perfect X working. > > I still got the product box and everything in mint condition : > > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/gilbert.fernandes/remembering2.html#190 > > The first MacOS X release went out in January 1999 (and the first > public > beta a year after, 2000 - I bought it from the Paris Apple Expo). > > I hope you will both find this information interesting. Most people I > talk about MachTen product and running Mach kernel and Unix over my > old > Motorola-based 68k get pretty surprised about it. > > Now I got to start to read all this thread all again, so please excuse > me. Looks like I'm going to need.. some time :o) > > -- > unzip ; strip ; touch ; grep ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; more ; yes ; > fsck ; umount ; sleep --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad@shire.net
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