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Date:      Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:10:19 -0800
From:      jungle Boogie <jungleboogie0@gmail.com>
To:        Mark Felder <feld@freebsd.org>
Cc:        freebsd-security@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: ntpd vulnerabilities
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Hi Mark,
On 22 December 2014 at 11:02, Mark Felder <feld@freebsd.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014, at 11:39, Brett Glass wrote:
>> I'd like to propose that FreeBSD move to OpenNTPD, which appears to
>> have none of the
>> fixed or unfixed (!) vulnerabilities that are present in ntpd.
>> There's already a port.
>>
>
> Historically OpenNTPD has been dismissed as a candidate because of its
> reduced accuracy and missing security features. For example, it doesn't
> implement the NTPv4 functionality or authentication.
>
> Quite literally the OpenNTPD is vulnerable to a MITM attack because of
> the lack of authentication. Their stance has been that you should trust
> your NTP servers and suggest using a VPN for the NTP traffic. Probably
> not a bad idea, honestly.

Would you say a MITM attack is similar to a forged ntp reply?

If so, have you seen this:
http://quigon.bsws.de/papers/opencon04/ntpd/mgp00018.html


>
> I don't have a qualified opinion, but that should get you on the right
> track if you want to research further.




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