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Date:      Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:36:17 -0600
From:      "Mike Meyer" <mwm-dated-1008682578.ff7c12@mired.org>
To:        "FreeBSD Chat" <chat@FreeBSD.ORG>, "Mike Meyer" <mwm-dated-1008658698.82b0d6@mired.org>
Subject:   Re: EzBSD aint for me! Was: A breath of fresh air..
Message-ID:  <15384.44753.782749.152450@guru.mired.org>
In-Reply-To: <008401c183a5$1f1cace0$0a00000a@atkielski.com>
References:  <20011211140107.A67653@FreeBSD.org> <0112071641320B.01380@stinky.akitanet.co.uk> <01121010202100.00345@stinky.akitanet.co.uk> <20011211144049.A14693@acidpit.org> <20011211214943.A4489@tisys.org> <15382.29599.349155.309028@guru.mired.org> <20011211230257.A5157@tisys.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20011212181551.015734a8@threespace.com> <15384.11772.363959.693167@guru.mired.org> <003701c18398$07091d30$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15384.17244.476714.955574@guru.mired.org> <004901c1839d$b273c440$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15384.19146.990082.336336@guru.mired.org> <005201c183a1$39ae92c0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15384.20874.658211.478300@guru.mired.org> <008401c183a5$1f1cace0$0a00000a@atkielski.com>

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Anthony Atkielski <anthony@freebie.atkielski.com> types:
> Mike writes:
> > I do. And I've seen people do that with Unix
> > as well. Since it only takes one example to
> > disprove such an assertion, your original
> > assertion about Unix require an expert to
> > set it up and maintain it is false.
> I find that sufficiently implausible that I'd have to see it to believe it.
> FreeBSD, in particular, cannot be installed by persons with no knowledge of
> IT.  Even installation of NT/2000 server requires that much.

Odd, as I known people with no IT training whatsoever who have
installed FreeBSD. Of course, they have also installed Windows, so
they are more familiar with the OS installation process than the
average Windows user. Which was what I was getting at when I asked
tech_info the question you answered.

In any case, FreeBSD - at least on x86 - isn't a particularly easy
Unix install. Risc systems are typically much easier to install, as
they don't have to worry about screwing up an existing installation of
another OS.

> > So if I give someone a floppy with a script that
> > writes the appropriate configuration files on
> > FreeBSD to talk to my favorite ISP, that wouldn't
> > count as "outside assistance"?
> If it is provided as an integral part of the complete installation package,
> no, it would not count as outside assistance.  Outside assistance means
> having to ask someone questions or asking for intervention during the
> process.

AOL's CDROM's aren't part of "the complete installation
package". They're an add-on package that configures the system to talk
to AOL.

	<mike
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