Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:19:29 +0200 From: "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@FreeBSD.ORG> To: "Gary Palmer" <gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: John Polstra <jdp@polstra.com>, ports@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ports/comms/hylafax Message-ID: <199706111819.UAA22569@desk.jhs.no_domain> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 05 Jun 1997 19:46:50 EDT." <533.865554410@orion.webspan.net>
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Reference: > From: "Gary Palmer" <gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG> > Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 19:46:50 -0400 > Message-id: <533.865554410@orion.webspan.net> Hi, "Gary Palmer" wrote: > [ CC: snipped ] > John Polstra wrote in message ID > <199706051606.JAA06183@austin.polstra.com>: > > I'm with Satoshi on this whole thing. > > I agree. Not only does Satoshi do a sterling job of maintaining an > every growing headache that is called `the ports collection', he does > so in his spare time. Umm, Yes, So ? I wrote that port in my spare time too :-) > Unless Julian is willing to dedicate that > ammount of time to maintaining the ports, I suggest he stops > complaining about decisions made. Nope, I don't want to involve myself in other ports, I just don't want spurious suprise trashing of a proven port with complex interfaces, till <hylafax@freebsd.org> agrees by consensus that the new port is proven. > > Also, while the port was not marked broken, it was indeed broken -- > > the distfile doesn't exist on the master site. Not to put too fine > > a point on it, but to me that weakens your claim of authority over > > the port as its maintainer. > > Infact, given that Julian had been asked to upgrade the port at least > once, and that the PR for the new port sat for so long in GNATS before > Satoshi did anything, I'm not at all sure what all the fuss is > about. I don't read gnats@ I (ex Maintainer) & list <hylafax@freebsd.org> receive no notification whatever of this suprise upgrade ! No time to test. > If Julian spent half the time that he has now expended writing > mails attacking Satoshi on his port, this would never have happened. I'm sure that'd be true with many a port, (I've done othe ports, I know what you mean, generally, But Hylafax is different, it wasn't simple to get a port working, or test thoroughly (Modem variations etc). If it _had_ been easy any of the many people who posted about V4 on hylafax@freebsd could have done it, some were invited, none did. > Instead he chose to decline Satoshi's upgrade requests, Huh ? Message-IDs please ! I don't recall _him_ requesting that, he wasn't interested, others posted on <hylafax@freebsd.org>, & I replied, please consult the archives, if you want to know what those who were interested actually wrote. > someone else presented us with a solution, he chooses to attack > instead. I DO NOT ATTACK THE NEW V4 PORT ! I AM PLEASED TO SEE IT :-) But the old V3 port should not be overlayed 'till the V4 is proven. As Satoshi does not care to be on list <hylafax@freebsd.org> he should not force an uninformed decision on those truly interested > Not the most productive use of his time, IMHO. If Satoshi had mailed me something like: "Hi Maintainer, I've received a major rewrite to a newer version, I propose to overlay your old port." I'd have cc'd to <hylafax@freebsd.org> & tested it myself too. BUT I & <hylafax@freebsd.org> received Zero warning. We need time for run-time success reports to be posted before the V3 port is deleted, meantime I'm happy to see the new port available too. > > Finally, no matter what Satoshi does, he doesn't have any way I know > > of to delete the old port from your 2.2.1 CD. > > Or the in-the-works 2.2.2 CD either, since at least one copy has gone > off to replication already. Well if a second pressing of the master is done, please put _both_ versions on. List <hylafax@freebsd.org> will decide when that can reduce to just V4. > Gary > -- > Gary Palmer Speaking for no-one other than himself > FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/
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