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Date:      Sat, 21 Apr 2018 11:04:11 -0600
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Stefan Blachmann <sblachmann@gmail.com>, gljennjohn@gmail.com,  "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, Colin Percival <cperciva@tarsnap.com>,  Konstantin Belousov <kib@freebsd.org>, Conrad Meyer <cem@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: RFC: Hiding per-CPU kernel output behind bootverbose
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On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org>
wrote:

> On 21/4/18 9:03 pm, Stefan Blachmann wrote:
>
>> For example, it is just amazing to see how all reports about massive
>> flaws in kernel microcode detection/updating and all offered patches
>> are being blatantly ignored for many years. See for example:
>> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=192487
>>
> yes I saw that but Only a handful of people know what's going on there so
> 99% of the
> developers just stood back and said "I hope someone who understands this
> picks it up".
> I didn't follow the one response I saw. So I couldn't decide on who had
> the better argument.


Except that  I said "sure, I'll integrate it, but you need to do these
things" and Stefan said "oh, lemme get you the code" and I never heard back
anything except complaints that it hasn't been integrated yet. Not playing
well with others makes them less willing to help you.

Warner



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