Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:22:12 +0100 From: Jens Rehsack <rehsack@liwing.de> To: Charles Burns <burnscharlesn@hotmail.com> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advocacy help for CS professor Message-ID: <3C9B6844.94D3511B@liwing.de> References: <F118QCIRDE2e0ghLGRI00009136@hotmail.com>
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Hi, what you can tell him, is, that MacOS X runs upon FreeBSD. Is MacOS X a great Desktop? Yes!!! Not as good as OS/2 WPS or Gnome, but it's still great. Other: If one of the best programmers works 8h/d for Microsoft, he has still 16h left. (S)he needs ca. 8h for sleep, ca. 4h for other things (buy sth. to eat, family, ...) and still could have 4 hours to develop open source software. So a company have the best programmers does not create a controverse that the best programmers do not develop for open source. Did you ever read some of the windows source examples (f.e. from the DDK?) They delivered some driver sources they really use. They do not have only best programmers. They still have many, but the percentage of best <-> normal is like in most other companies, too (if not more bad). Charles Burns wrote: > ... > > This person has the following additude: > > - Microsoft has money, therefore can buy the best programmers, therefore has > the best products. Best programmers makes high quality products. Best product designers make best products. I do not want to judge 'bout their software quality ... :-) > - Microsoft is very successful, therefore has the best products (though he > is not using the popularity alone as an argument as he does have extensive > knowledge of logic) Business success means to fit the requirements of money, not people. > - OSS programmers could not possibly be as good as Microsoft programmers, > because Microsoft sponsors such things as nat'l programming competitions and > hires the winners/hires the best of class from top universities, etc. I need > specific reasons and hopefully links (not to slashdot, to reputable neutral > news sites and such). OSS has Greenman, DeRaadt, Torvalds, Hubbard, Lehey, > and others which are certainly among the top 100 programmers on earth. How > to prove, though? I have pointed out that academics and contest winners are > different from people that naturally love to code, but he is in a commercial > mindset. I have seen many great logical abstractions of this concept on > various sites, but finding them would be impossible. Free mind sometimes create better ideas, because of got not blocked, and sometimes not, because of got not paid long enough.... > - He is using examples of MS products being superior to other Windows > products, examples in which he is right. Netscape 4.7* vs. IE4--No IE <-> Mozilla??? > comparison. MS Office vs everything else--for it's intended audience, it Hm, I like StarOffice more. Really. I'm not able to understand what's was going on in the brain of the menu/dialog designer of word. That must be a crazy one... > really is the best. Media player, etc. He quoted Outlook Express, but being Outlook? I love you, Anna! Media player? Is not able to play Quicktime Movies - goal missed. The target of media player was, 1 Application for every multimedia content. Winamp is much better that Media player for .mp3, Quicktime is much better for .qt (f.e. Star Wars Trailer - har!) > in the field he uses Eudora because of OE's jaw-dropping security record. I > already made the Evolution comparison, but I really need more examples in > which an OSS Unux product is superior. > ----Note that I am not trying to convince him that Unix makes a better > overall desktop, or that OSS software is necessarily the best, only that > there are many great OSS apps-some of which are better than MS counterparts, > and that he should give it a try. (he is busy and doesn't want to waste time > on something that he is pretty sure will suck) See MacOS or KDE or Gnome. I like Gnome because of their thought being real OO and building it on top of a CORBA. > - He says Unix is fragmented, therefore cannot have a unified vision and > focus, and that this automatically makes it inferior to Windows which is > under one company with theoretically one vision and focus.(to own everything > :-) Windows is it, too. Win 3.x, Win 9x, WinNT, W2k, WinXP, WinCE, X-Box, ... > I have already made some arguments and given some examples, but I would > greatly appreciate any compact and strong anecdotes, facts, quotes, > examples, theories, logical proofs, rhetorical questions, etc. that apply. > Please don't tell me that Windows really is a better desktop OS--whether it > is or not isn't the point. http://www.dwheeler.com/oss_fs_why.html > Thanks ahead of time. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- L i W W W i Jens Rehsack L W W W L i W W W W i nnn gggg LiWing IT-Services L i W W W W i n n g g LLLL i W W i n n g g Friesenstraße 2 gggg 06112 Halle g g g Tel.: +49 - 3 45 - 5 17 05 91 ggg e-Mail: <rehsack@liwing.de> Fax: +49 - 3 45 - 5 17 05 92 http://www.liwing.de/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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