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Date:      Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:49:27 +0300
From:      Ruslan Ermilov <ru@freebsd.org>
To:        "David O'Brien" <obrien@freebsd.org>
Cc:        cvs-all@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/lib/libc/i386/net htonl.S ntohl.S
Message-ID:  <20041018194927.GG89681@ip.net.ua>
In-Reply-To: <20041018184234.GC10529@dragon.nuxi.com>
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On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 11:42:34AM -0700, David O'Brien wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 08:31:18PM +0200, Erik Trulsson wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 10:45:11AM -0700, David O'Brien wrote:
> > > Yes.  You missed the discussion in freebsd-current on this?
> ..
> > I have certainly not seen any message stating that on -current.
>=20
>  To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org
>  Subject: [PATCH] optimizing X now that we don't support i386 CPU's on 6-=
CURRENT
>  Message-ID: <20041016174925.GA96809@dragon.nuxi.com>
>=20
Well, it's less than three days old, and you made a major
decision with this commit that the world no longer supports
i386 by default.  I wish you discussed in on arch@ first.

I re-read this thread, and it seems that you think that since
nobody reported a success running on i386 then it's time to
kill I386 support in our world by default?

I can also read a message from John Nielsen in this same
thread saying he was able to install 5.2 on 386DX, so perhaps
you owe a dinner to Xin next time you're in Bejing.  ;)

> > I know that the GENERIC kernel does not work on a i386, so that you
> > need a custom-built kernel to install on a real i386.
> > I also know that support for FPU-less systems has been dropped, which
> > means that most 386-based systems (those without an '387) (as well as
> > systems with a 486sx w/o a 487sx) will not run RELENG_5 or -CURRENT.
> >=20
> > Neither of these means that a real 80386+80387 is unsupported, just
> > that you need to build a new kernel first.
>=20
> I see nothing wrong with having to build a new userland before it will
> run on I386 since we already have to do that with the kernel.
>=20
Having libc optimized for >386 by default is good (IMO), but what
you've committed can't be used easily to compile for i386.  Perhaps
you will adopt/apply my suggestions, and then we will fix the issue
for i386 users.  I agree with Xin that this deserves a HEADS UP
since default world will no longer support i386 hardware.


Cheers,
--=20
Ruslan Ermilov
ru@FreeBSD.org
FreeBSD committer

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