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Date:      Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:39:33 +1100
From:      Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au>
To:        "John M. Purser" <jpurser@wilcofarmers.com>
Cc:        "FreeBSD Newbies (E-mail)" <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Let's Try that Again! :-)
Message-ID:  <19980326103933.03367@welearn.com.au>
In-Reply-To: <01BD57F8.78EF5A60.jpurser@wilcofarmers.com>; from John M. Purser on Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 02:15:24PM -0800
References:  <01BD57F8.78EF5A60.jpurser@wilcofarmers.com>

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On Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 02:15:24PM -0800, John M. Purser wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 25, 1998 1:26 PM, Sue Blake [SMTP:sue@welearn.com.au] 
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 01:11:14PM -0800, John M. Purser wrote:
> > > To the Community:
> > >
> > > Okay Sue, I've gone to http://www.lemis.com/email.htmlread and RTFM.
> > >  I THINK I've reconfigured MSOutlook to behave.  Care to grade me?
> >
> > Hey, that's no fair test! You'll have to quote and reply to this before
> > I
> > can find something decent to pick on.
> 
> Not much I can do about long and short lines.  It's a formatting function 
> from when I sent the first one.  As the first letter was formatted to X 
> spaces when I forward the forward I got from you the inserted "> " extend 
> the line length.  Instead of removing the hard returns at the end of the 
> line new ones are added at X spaces or thereabouts.  I don't see a way 
> out, any solutions out there?

Your email software (or its editor) is supposed to recognise what is a
quoted paragraph and reformat it accordingly when the line length gets too
long. Watch what mine does:

> > Hey, that's no fair test! You'll have to quote and reply to this before
> > I
> > can find something decent to pick on.

> > Hey, that's no fair test! You'll have to quote and reply to this before
> > I can find something decent to pick on.

It's not directly your fault. The software seems to be letting you down.
The result is the same: you look like you can't do it, and it gets
progressively harder to read as it's requoted.


> > You won't offend anyone here, but others will do their utmost to offend
> > you
> Trust me, sooner or later I offend someone everywhere! ;-)  Has anyone 
> else noticed that the world has been in a bad mood for the last 20 years 
> or so?

It has indeed. Everything's getting busier and tolerance is a luxury.

Do you see this mess before it goes out? Can you fix it then?
Normally I'd reformat before replying if it's not too messed up to be fixed,
but we're experimenting here. I hope you don't mind.

> > if you try those mickeysoft tricks in another mailing list. Besides, if
> > other newbies start copying I'll soon be outnumbered, and next thing
> > everyone will be typing secrets to the right of the 80 character limit 
> of
> > my
> > text screen.
> If we had any secrets we wouldn't be Newbies!
> >
> John Purser

OK, the problem's pretty clear in that last section. Some of my words
immediately followed by your response without a break, then your signature.
The only cues we have are the number of quote marks and the shape of the
text on the screen. In this case, both are wrong and misleading. Just for
fun, quote this back and we'll see if it gets worse.

Meanwhile we have to come up with a solution.
Is the software really so braindead that it cannot be beaten into
submission? Is anyone else out there using the same software? Help!

If you're stuck in windoze for some reason I recommend Pegasus Mail as one
which can reliably produce email that makes you look good (but it's also
powerful enough to be misused). The best solution of course is to use a
wonderful operating system called FreeBSD which has plenty of good well
behaved software :-)

Oh, and your grade so far? Ten out of ten for attending to the problem.
Just remind me not to let you choose my software :-)

-- 

Regards,
        -*Sue*-

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