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Date:      Thu, 6 Jul 2017 15:38:25 +0100
From:      Matthew Seaman <matthew@FreeBSD.org>
To:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD did it again (still)
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From: Matthew Seaman <matthew@FreeBSD.org>
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Subject: Re: FreeBSD did it again (still)
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On 2017/07/06 14:46, Warren Block wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Jul 2017, Baho Utot wrote:
>=20
>> Well FYI the upgrade base 10.1 to 11.0-p10 when as expected. Update
>> the ports to the current quarterly was a tragic happening.  I have
>> done this before upgrade a desktop from 10.3 to 11.0-p0 then to
>> 11.0-p9.  Again the ports just did not work as it resulted in a broken=

>> desktop each time.  I started using the quarterly ports branch
>> thinking I get some stablilty.  No stability to be found.  Should I
>> user be able to update without going thru a weeks worth of debugging? =

>> I think that is not too much to ask.
>=20
> It might or might not be obvious, but after going from FreeBSD 10 to 11=

> all ports must be reinstalled.  It is not possible to upgrade only some=

> ports without mysterious breakages.

pkg(8) is actually smart enough to realise that the ABI-version of the
installed packages doesn't match either the ABI-version of the running
kernel[*] or the ABI-version of the repository and it /should/ attempt
to update or reinstall all installed packages to fix that.

Much of the time that will "just work" -- but not always, which is why
the standard advice is still to delete and reinstall all packages on a
major version upgrade.  Working out when and why pkg(8) can fail to do
this correctly and teaching it how to get it right would be a really
useful contribution.

	Cheers,

	Matthew

[*] This can be overridden, so it is possible to run eg. a 10.3 jail on
an 11.0 host and maintain the packages with pkg(8).


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