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Date:      Fri, 9 Feb 2018 00:51:15 -0700
From:      "@lbutlr" <kremels@kreme.com>
To:        freebsd-ports@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation
Message-ID:  <B3145709-9AD1-4747-8B3E-218D908CE2AD@kreme.com>
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On 08 Feb 2018, at 17:52, Michelle Sullivan <michelle@sorbs.net> wrote:
> Don't know - Trademarks don't always have to be registered to be a =
Trademark... a Registered Trademark can carry the symbol and has had all =
the due diligence done so its more 'protectable' but the lack of the =
registration doesn't make it 'not a trademark' just that it's not as =
defensible for violations.

Speaking with some experience it is nearly impossible to enforce a =E2=84=A2=
 trademark, especially if there are other trademarks of the word or =
phrase or name. If you want to use McDonald=E2=80=99s in your name for a =
hardware store you better be sure you get a =C2=AE for it if you want to =
defend it, since there is already an established =C2=AE (more than one, =
in fact) in place.

Pale Moon is not unique, so at least in the US, not having a fully =
registered trademark means that any claim of =E2=84=A2 is basically =
meaningless.

(And in the US you can thrown a =E2=84=A2 on anything you want, it =
doesn=E2=80=99t mean anything other than that you intend to defend a =
potential trademark. As an example, at one point an RPG company (TSR?) =
put a =E2=84=A2 on every instance of the word =E2=80=9CNazi=E2=80=9D in =
one of their rule books.

There are three extant trademarks in the US for =E2=80=9CPale moon=E2=80=9D=
, two for beer and one for =E2=80=9CPale Moon Gang=E2=80=9D which =
appears to be a musical group. There are no trademarks for =
=E2=80=9Cpalemoon=E2=80=9D

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Due Respect For The Traditions Of Our Forebears And Of Course Not
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