Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:33:23 -0800 From: Robert Clark <res03db2@gte.net> To: "Jeremy C. Reed" <reed@reedmedia.net> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Infoworld Unix reviews Message-ID: <20010131133323.B44924@darkstar.gte.net> In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101302234490.4548-100000@pilchuck.reedmedia.net>; from reed@reedmedia.net on Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 11:09:02PM -0800 References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0101302234490.4548-100000@pilchuck.reedmedia.net>
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On Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 11:09:02PM -0800, Jeremy C. Reed wrote:
> I read a short article in January 15's Infoworld ("Six flavors run the
> gamut: The good, the bad, and the ugly"). It didn't mention BSD, but
> quickly ranked a few "Unix" systems: Irix, AIX, Tru64, HPUX, UnixWare, and
> Solaris.
>
> I am curious about some of the statements and opinions -- and I am seeking
> some further comments in regards to comparing with the BSDs.
>
> For example, they tested 10 "corporate" applications and the systems
> scored between 0 out of 10 and 10 out of 10. These applications are:
> Oracle 8i database, IBM WebSphere Application Server, Adobe FrameMaker 6,
> iPlanet Enterprise Web Server, Microsoft Internet Explorer, Sybase ASE,
> Lotus Domino, ChiliSoft ASP, Vitria BusinessWare and SAP.
Websphere is IBM pimping a fat Apache bundle for all its worth.
Buying Websphere saves you the trouble of putting all the
pieces together.
8i and ASE are two of the major Databases on the market.
Its all about simultaneity. When some business function gets
huge, you have to put its data somewhere. Database vendors
now grok threading to a degree. But they all do it differently.
If I need a place to store a 10TB database, what am I going
to do?
If databases had the ability to be spread across systems, then
a rack of small servers might make sense. In that case,
FreeBSD would make sense.
Do existing database software vendors have any incentive
to sell their product for cheap hardware? Seems like
that would devalue their product.
>
> Which of these applications run (non-native or native) under a BSD? Also,
> I am interested in opinions -- which of these applications are important
> and which don't matter?
>
> The review also mentioned "Standard" and they all were either Unix 95 or
> Unix 98. Does this matter to the BSDs? Or what does this mean to
> developers beginning with BSDs? How do the (non-official-Unix) BSD's
> compare in regards to these Unix 95/98 standards? Any examples?
>
> Some advantages and disadvantages listed included:
> - scales to 512 CPUs and 1TB of ram
Good for sales.
> - 64-bit CPUs "are solid performers at deceptively low clock speeds"
Bigger CPU mean bigger address spaces.
> - ultra-fast server I/O subsystems
There needs to be some semblence of symmetry between CPU and I/O.
> - Linux source code portability
A marketing gimmic?
> - "inscrutable" manuals and support documents
Green oats.
> - "borrows pieces from several Unix implementations to create a
> versatile, broadly compatible operating environment"
You're bad habits will work here.
> - "holes in System V compatibility make application porting difficult"
HP-UX in a nutshell?
>
> Any thoughts in regards to BSDs?
>
> Basically, I am looking for ideas on how I can promote BSD using some of
> these examples. (I want to develop some strong arguments for BSD in
> comparison with "official" Unix's.)
>
> I just found the article online at
> http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/fixup.pl?story=http://www.infoworld.com/articles/tc/xml/01/01/15/010115tcunix.xml&dctag=operatingsystems
>
> Jeremy C. Reed
> http://www.reedmedia.net/
>
>
>
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